Ronda's striking and Holly Holm's striking

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by krolik1157, Aug 7, 2015.

  1. krolik1157

    krolik1157 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    May 2, 2009
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    22
    So, ever since the Correia fight, there have been a lot of threads about how sloppy Ronda's boxing technique is, because Sherdog.

    Now, some of that is because Edmond is clinically incapable of shutting up and her hands have been getting played up a lot by the UFC, but in 3 of her last 4 fights, she's:

    1) Taken out McMann with a perfect knee to the liver in 64 seconds

    2) Nailed Davis with a 1-2, a knee, and finished her while Davis got a grand total of two strikes in.

    3) Knocked out Correia, whose best asset is her hands, in 34 seconds.

    That's not bad -- you can say what you want about those fighters, but she's clearly having a lot of success with her hands and striking against the best fighters at 135.

    Meanwhile, Holly Holm's boxing bona fides are pretty much beyond reproach. 33-2 record, 18-time champion in 3 weight classes, even though she never had much knockout power. (9 knockouts in 38 boxing fights.)

    Since coming to MMA/the UFC, Holm has gone to a split decision with Raquel Pennington and got a UD over Marion Renau. She had knockouts before coming to the UFC, but most of them were with kicks and against opponents without Wikipedia pages; she's still not a power puncher.


    TL;DR -- Edmond says that Ronda could be a boxing world champion, which seems like hyperbole. Holly Holm is an 18-time boxing world champion. In the UFC ring, Ronda's had knockouts over top opponents, while Holly hasn't been able to knock out either of her opponents. Is Holm's style of boxing not ideal for the UFC? What would Rousey look like if she had Holm's boxing fundamentals? Should that be her endgame?
     
  2. frandie2b

    frandie2b ------(SALD BELT)------

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2009
    Messages:
    7,550
    Likes Received:
    9,333
    Location:
    Corsica
    Nostradamus.
     
  3. TdotK

    TdotK Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2014
    Messages:
    2,069
    Likes Received:
    14
    "Because of Sherdog"???

    Nah, because it was extremely sloppy and amateurish. No one with an unbiased bone in their body would watch that striking, and tell you it was the striking of a professional prize fighter. It was downright amateurish.

    Yeah, she's a beast in certain aspects of MMA, but for god's sake, can we stop classifying her in the elite level of every category in fighting? She's not a good striker. It's not the end of the world, Ronda fans. Faaaack.
     
  4. Carsormyr

    Carsormyr Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2012
    Messages:
    2,941
    Likes Received:
    5,140
    The bumps just keep on coming haha
     
  5. fightdonttweet

    fightdonttweet Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    11,910
    Likes Received:
    735
    Women's boxing is significantly weaker than even wmma. Holm's "fundamentals" involve punching at air. Ronda is better off without that.
     
  6. Bagatur

    Bagatur Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2006
    Messages:
    7,868
    Likes Received:
    7,170
    Location:
    DE
    bwahahahaha, what is your excuse, dumbass?
     
  7. Medusas Weave

    Medusas Weave Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2015
    Messages:
    943
    Likes Received:
    16
    What would you say about Pennington's strking vs ronda's? Now rewatch holly vs penny
     
  8. defcon5

    defcon5 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,050
    Likes Received:
    1,415


    Interesting thread

    well we just saw that the gulf between there striking is larger than the pacific ocean.
     
  9. Sgt Smith

    Sgt Smith Bassed God

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2010
    Messages:
    18,695
    Likes Received:
    38,654
    Location:
    60°55′N 101°57′E
    I don't think Ronda will ever come close to having Holm's boxing fundamentals, but I don't think it really matters. Ronda doesn't showcase great technique in the cage, but she definitely generates power. Her striking just seems to match her tenacity. I honestly couldn't see her picking people apart from the outside because her strength lies in being in close with the grappling threat. She's developed striking that complements her abilities. It would probably benefit her to tighten up her technique a bit from a defensive standpoint, but I don't think she'd benefit greatly from being a sniper.
     
  10. wlu29

    wlu29 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2005
    Messages:
    19,697
    Likes Received:
    2,193
    Holly holm pulled a Keyser soze on the UFC and ronda
     
  11. Body Shot

    Body Shot Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    503
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    The Internets
    Holm has good technique but her style is to win on points. Yes she has power but that's not her style. Ronda has speed, power and terrible technique. Can anyone at 135 take rondas blitz and judo. Nope.
     
  12. Zefram Cochrane

    Zefram Cochrane Follow me on Pictogram

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2015
    Messages:
    10,078
    Likes Received:
    17,190
    Location:
    Bozeman, Montana.
    I think Holm must have listened to your criticism buddy, because all her punches could find was ronda's chin the other night.
     
  13. lapollarecords

    lapollarecords Red Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    8,340
    Likes Received:
    871
    Ronda would submit or even KO Holm in under a minute. once she closes distance, Holm has nothing. she would maul her against the cage or throw and submit her.
     
  14. krolik1157

    krolik1157 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    May 2, 2009
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    22
    This is pretty much what I'm saying. People don't seem to understand that there's a trade-off between speed and power, and aggression and defense. I'm not saying Ronda is Sugar Ray Leonard, but her style of striking clearly works for her. People are acting like the people she knocked out slipped on banana peels.
     
  15. Elmonstro1

    Elmonstro1 Patriots Stan

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2009
    Messages:
    5,575
    Likes Received:
    5,654
    Location:
    massage parlor
    Even the men struggle with having clean crisp boxing, so i really don't hold it against ronda
     
  16. 98bird

    98bird Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2006
    Messages:
    3,325
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Holly Homie is grossly overrated. So damn boring to watch. All of that reach advantage and still shadowboxing in a fight.
     
  17. Jawth

    Jawth Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2011
    Messages:
    12,276
    Likes Received:
    8,383
    Great credentials in other sports don't always translate. Overeem is a former world kickboxing champ but got killed by Bigfoot and Browne.
     
  18. Hylix

    Hylix Brown Belt

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    2,837
    Likes Received:
    131
    10/10 times Ronda destroys Holly in the cage

    10/10 times Holly destroys Ronda in a boxing match

    Holly is terrified of someone closing the distance and grappling with them so until she somehow fixes that she has no chance at the title with Ronda around. That said Ronda has awful technique so there is no way Holly would lose to her straight boxing. Too bad for Holly no one cares about women's boxing and she is fighting MMA...
     
  19. Mr. Hammer

    Mr. Hammer Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2012
    Messages:
    12,247
    Likes Received:
    1,680
    Holm uses those "air punches" to set up her kicks. I'd suggest you rewatch her last fight then again I'd also suggest you not. Shit was borrrrrring.
     
  20. fightdonttweet

    fightdonttweet Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    11,910
    Likes Received:
    735
    Set up? Lol I think you meant to say telegraph. She spammed the same combo over and over.
     
  21. Col Kurtz

    Col Kurtz Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2013
    Messages:
    897
    Likes Received:
    106
    Wand had great success without any defensive abilities in his striking. He just stood and bang. LOL! She's aggressive, athletic and her opponents are always afraid of the grappling. It's similar to what happens to The Chris. Not a beautiful technique, but it works.
     
  22. BillyPilgrim

    BillyPilgrim Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2009
    Messages:
    1,486
    Likes Received:
    49
    Location:
    Roach Motel in K-Town
    Wanderlei Silva had some of the ugliest technical striking in mma history. Also some of the most brutal (in his prime of course). Tenacity, aggression, and power go a long way with four ounce gloves. Ronda is not a good striker, and definitely not a good boxer (balance, head movement, footwork, defense, combinations, etc.). Full stop. But she can punch and knee and that's enough for wmma at the moment when combined with her other stellar skills.
     
  23. SpiderNxno

    SpiderNxno Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2012
    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    120
    I thought I was watching Pacquiao with that blitz
     
  24. CrashStitches

    CrashStitches Please Cha Cha Cha Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2006
    Messages:
    11,413
    Likes Received:
    176
    Location:
    Rowdy Warwagon
    But she "HAAH!" hella loud every strike, so it's impressive.
     
  25. Le 7th Samurai

    Le 7th Samurai Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    59
    Location:
    CDMX
    This.
     
  26. Gorbag

    Gorbag Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2014
    Messages:
    2,130
    Likes Received:
    770
    Skills in sport is always spesific and Ronda's striking is better for MMA than the striking of Holm wich is a better boxer under Queensbury rules.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.