Ronda Rousey is fighting cans.....so who should she fight?

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  1. Combat Wombatt

    Combat Wombatt Brown Belt

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    I'm not a fan of Rousey. I think she's gets to ride a wave of wins over less skilled competition and called amazing and great. However, it's not her fault. She's just highly skilled above a bunch of less skilled opponents.

    Women's MMA is in it's infancy. It's where men's MMA was years ago. It's still in the 1st generation where you have women who are coming from a single discipline such as wrestling, judo, or whatever else. You aren't even in the 2nd generation where you have fighters that are good at 2 skill sets. 2nd generation male MMA fighters are like Matt Hughes who had a great submission and wrestling game but lacked a great striking game. Someone like GSP really is one of the first 1st 3rd generation who had it all, great striking, ground game, and wrestling. Still, there aren't a ton of male MMA fighters who are 3rd generation. Ironically, Fedor had a all a long time ago.

    Against Ronda you've got young fighters who haven't really beaten a lot of great women fighters (partially because there aren't a lot to beat), or older ones like Cat Zingano (33yo) and Sara (34 yo) both getting to the end of their MMA careers on top. Ronda's 28 which is similar in age but a year in MMA can be a huge difference. Look how quickly Liddell went downhill once his chin failed him.


    So, Ronda isn't beating cans, she's just not beating the toughest competition ever, she's just beating what's available and it's thin.



    All there really left is for Rousey is Cyborg and she will be a heavy favorite over Cyborg. There really isn't anyone else left (perhaps Holly Holm in awhile but she isn't ready now).


    So, it's not like there's tons of un-tapped women's MMA fighters that are out there that the UFC isn't hiring. There's just not enough womens MMA fighters in the world since women's MMA is relatively new in popularity and it's becoming worthwhile to do money-wise. You are just now starting to be a womens MMA fighter and make a living.
     
  2. 613

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    Its not her fault her competition is so pathetic. But you can't be talked about as highly as she is by the UFC with the level of comp she has beaten
     
  3. UL

    UL no more yellows Double Yellow Card

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  4. SuperNerd

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    So every compliment on Rousey should be followed up by "for a girl"?

    She is a slow car, racing slow cars.

    She is not a fast car, why compare her to one? You compare her to her peers, which she is mountains above.
     
  5. catsforsale

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    It isn't her fault that the division is so poor, but that's why I have zero interest in it.
     
  6. UFCFAN18

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    Ronda is not doubt the best female fighter out there right now but she hasn't even been pulled into deep waters and really tested, is that her fault? No, but it doesn't change the fact that other Champs in men's divisions fought harder to get to where they are and continue to fight harder defending their belts.

    Ronda is amazingly dominant and deserves respect but all this P4P Goat talk that's been going around needs to chill for right now.
     
  7. countswagula

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    It's not a matter of relativizing her absolute fighting ability to male fighters, the women's division is shallow by any measurement. Again, this is in no way her fault and if some years down the line the talent pool for WMMA becomes much larger it will have been almost entirely to her credit.
     
  8. Enders

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    If the fights at 140 or above, she will be an underdog to Cyborg.
     
  9. Moral Victory

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    All things are relative.

    Just because she's great, she's not great?

    If you're not impressed by her fighting, look at her mental game, she's crafty and incredibly mentally strong.
    She's a warrior at heart and pretty damn wise too.
     
  10. 613

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    Agreed, problem is the UFC compares her to male fighters and athletes in other sports who dominate a much deeper talent pool.

    I don't think she would take half the hate if people kept her comparisons to her peers instead of TJ and Lebron
     
  11. countswagula

    countswagula Gold Belt

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    If she is I'd be tempted to drop some money or her
     
  12. Jonesisinnocent

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    Dana should reward all the women in the UFC with a "promotion" to Invicta, where the competition is deeper and we wont have to water down UFC cards with "fun fights" by "athletes" that are "not that bad" and "slowly improving".
     
  13. Bradstones

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    im sure all these guys that have no interest in wmma leave the room and go cut the grass when the girls start to fight...yall watch it just like I do!...and hope for a boob to fall out!..Cheers!
     
  14. OldBoy91

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    Most female fighters started going to kickboxing classes in their late twenties as a way to stay fit. Ronda has been bred to compete since she was a young child. Anything less than running through her competition would be an embarrassment.
     
  15. RJ43

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    It's all relative. Yes we are essentially still in "Generation 1" of WMMA, but Ronda is also a part of that generation and she is, at least, one "generation" ahead of everyone else save, maybe, Cyborg.

    If WMMA continues to grow after Rousey retires we will likely see several women who "would have destroyed RR 12 years ago!" but that can be said for most fighters who have been retired for several years paving the way for better, younger fighters.

    At the end of the day greatness is most easily measured as the gap people put between them and their peers at similar peaks. Yes it is much harder to be a top Male fighter today than it is a female fighter, but Rousey is also so far ahead of her peers and that is what makes her great.
     
  16. ill0giKaL

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    Bottles next..I think she should be fighting bottles next.


    p.s I read the subject, not any of the OP at all! kthxbye!
     
  17. SongXIII

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    Cans in Invicta.
     
  18. ChillBroBaggins

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    She can fight cans or go make movies with this talent pool
     
  19. Stonehenge

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    Holy Holm is going to give Ronda problems. Mark my word. Rousey will have problems with Cyborg IF it's at a catch weight, which it should be.
     
  20. TrainAllDay

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    Yes she is fighting cans, no it's not her fault.
     

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