Ronda, after this one it's time to accept Cris Cyborg fight at 140lbs.

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  1. Weidman

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    Stop all the drama about 5 pounds..

    Anderson Silva was great champion at 185, and when there was no competition in 185 he fought at 205 multiple times, he said no problem. Ronda competed in Judo at 150lbs, in Strikeforce at 145lbs..

    3rd Miesha fight.. Come on.

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  2. Towelie by TKO

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    So If she fights Cyborg and Cyborg wins... then what? Create a 145 division for her? Who would be her first contender?

    In the fight business there always needs to be an upside to either outcome. Your super hyped Champion loses to an unknown challenger? Now you can hype them up as a Rocky story or the next big thing.

    Unless there is a division for Cyborg to compete in after the Rousey fight, it makes no sense from a business perspective to give Cyborg the fight.
     
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    Wait right here; gonna show this thread to Rousey before her fight in a few hours.
     
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    Weidman Still my booooy!

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    Nothing, if Anderson lost to Bonnar at 205 he would still be champion at 185. It's about fight, about challenge.
     
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    You should be on permanent dubbs
     
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    I'd like to see Ronda against Jorina Baars in a Muay Thai bout. Wasn't she boxing world champion material?
     
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    The only drama is Cyborg abandoning a UFC contract to run off and keep crushing undersized 145 pound cans. How long has she been saying she's going to try to make 135? And why does SHE get the benefit of demanding a catchweight fight when she's the confirmed steroid cheater?

    Hate Ronda all you want, if that's your thing, but adopting Cyborg as your proxy and ignoring all the facts of the matter is just a bunch of disingenuous BS.
     
  8. Bet Me

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    I'd rather see her fight Holly Holm next. Well, after she fights Miesha in what could be the biggest trilogy of all time.
     
  9. Thai Domi

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    Ronda is the 135 champion. Her challengers have to come to her.
     
  10. Weidman

    Weidman Still my booooy!

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    Ronda beats Miesha and Holly at the same time, She can finish them both inside one round. that's why it would be nice to see her against tougher competition.
     
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    But Bonnar would have continued to fight in the UFC, because they have a 205 division. You missed my point entirely. It doesn't matter what the UFC does with Ronda if she loses, it's about what they can do with Cyborg if she wins. 145 is shallow as a California rain puddle, they should not add the division just for an unmarketable documented cheater.
     
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    This might be a topic worth talking about... IF Cyborg didn't already sign a contract with the UFC that already agrees to fight at 135.

    Cyborg signed the contract. The only thing holding up this fight is Cyborg and the scales. Why would Rousey agree to any other terms when there's already a signed contract in play?

    Cyborg needs to make 135 and the fans need to accept that. Anything else at this point is whining.
     
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    She's fighting Miesha next, then filming a movie, then probably Holm, then somebody else.

    The Cyborg fight isn't happening. Ronda has made it clear she won't make any concessions and will only fight at 135. Anyone who has ever seen Cyborg or has any common sense knows she can't make 135 and still be in good enough shape to compete. It just isn't happening.
     
  14. Pwent

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    ronda did accept cyborg at 140 and then cyborg ducked and said she changed her mind and would never fight below 145


    ronda has accepted the cyborg fight many times, on cyborgs terms and cyborg always pulls out

    please stop
     
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    TS you're jumping the gun. First she has to deal with Bethe, and that's no easy task.

    • 9-0 in her career
    • 2 KOs and 7 decision wins (6 unanimous)
    • 2 dominations of 2 of the 4 horsey women
    • 9 fight winning streak, 3 fight winning streak in the UFC
    • 117+ minutes of cage experience compared to less than 24 minutes of cage experience for Ronda

    The list goes on but the point is that Bethe may chase Ronda to 145 after UFC 190.
     
  16. tombombadil

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    I think you can spin a 'Cyborg is ALSO a great fighter, and was TOO BIG for Ronda THIS time, but it wasn't Ronda's div." type angle. Then, you've just opened up another division with interest. There's the Ronda div, and the Cyborg div. Market Cyborg as this scary-assed man-looking shebeast, and let Ronda crush 4 more cans, then the storyline is, "She's ready for her this time, can the undersized American beautyqueen, hero to women everywhere beat the ugly she-demon THIS time????"
     
  17. BVG

    BVG Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    The UFC had a division for bonnor....
     
  18. Pwent

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    heres a write up by clay j, detailing the long history of cyborg ducking ronda


    Ronda isn't scared. It is pretty obvious that Cyborg is the reason the fight hasn't happened. She has ducked/ran, lied and changed her mind a hundred times about nearly everything you can think of over the last four years to the point that nothing she says or does can be taken seriously.

    First, the histry of Ronda going to 135 is outlined in this historical sherdog thread:

    http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/92583821-post954.html

    Then, what happend next was that Ronda beat Budd and Cyborg got busted for steroids. Ronda still agrees to fight Cyborg at 145 (According to Cyborg and her lawyers) for the FW title. However, with Cyborg unable to get her suspension reduced SF gets rid of the 145 class, effectively cancelling the fight (Cyborg's ruins the fight #1).
    http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/9/29...on-upheld-strikeforce-ronda-rousey-female-mma

    Cyborg then says she will fight Ronda at a catchweight of 140 (Aug 13, 2012)
    http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/13/3240734/cris-cyborg-ronda-rousey-fight-catchweight

    To which Ronda's manager agrees with VADA drug and hair folicle testing (Aug 19)
    http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/20/3256102/ronda-rousey-drug-testing-cyborg-steroids-strikeforce-mma

    To which Cyborg backs out almost instantly saying she "will fight at 145, no less" and that she is the champion (actually she wasn't, she was stripped of the belt), and Cyborg ruins the fight for a second time, and ducks Ronda directly for the first time.
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...ight-rousey-at-145-pounds----no-less/828222/1

    Then the UFC buys SF and picks up Ronda's contract and creates the 135 class. Then, the UFC picks up Cyborg's contract and even offers to let her to go Invicta and make money while she trims down until she can make 135. They even offered to PAY Mike Dolce for her to help her lose the weight.

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/...es-services-to-get-cyborg-to-135-ronda-rousey
    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/...dy-fat-percentage-cain-velasquez-ronda-rousey


    Cyborg responds by asking to be released from the UFC. (Cyborg ruins the fight #3, Cyborg ducks Ronda #2)

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    Then, the UFC gets cozy with Invicta, puts them on fightpass and makes an agreement that Cyborg will get into the UFC if she makes 135. Cyborg signs a contract to make 135 in Dec 2014, but continues to lift weights on a daily basis and doesn't even try to cut the weight, pulling out of the fight and saying she will continue to fight at 145, but that she will still fight Ronda at 145, effectively ducking the fight again (duck #3) by not agreeing to the terms that will get her the bout agreement

    This doesn't even take into account all the times Cyborg says she is going to 135, then she will die if she does, then she will be fine, then dead again ... etc.

    Here is Cyborg weighing in at 140

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    http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/elitexc-unfinished-business-weigh-in-results


    she doesn't exactly look like a concentration camp victim, she is still carrying a ton of muscle mass. She just has to drop five pounds of it and the fight is on. Cyborg is just too psychologically attached/addicted to her muscle mass to let it go. She knows she can keep her name in the headlines by barking at Ronda from a distance, while never having to actually take the fight.

    Cyborg has no leverage to dictate the terms. Ronda is going nowhere, she is a stationary target, if Cyborg wants the fight, she knows where she has to go to get it.

    The day before her Invicta weigh-in against Tweet, Cyborg said she could "make 140 tomorrow"
    http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/cyborg...ufc-champ-ronda-rousey-at-140-pounds-tomorrow

    but since she says she currently walks around at 175
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    that means she is saying she can fight at a weight 35 pounds below her walkaround weight, but claimed it was physically impossible, and maybe even fatal, if she tried to cut from her walkaround weight of 160 (see video above) down to 135 back when she asked to be released from the UFC, even though that is only 25 pounds. The only conclusion was that she JUST DIDN'T WANT THE FIGHT, since she could have clearly cut the weight.

    So lose five pounds of muscle from where you were before and make the fight. The UFC wasn't willing to make a catchweight fight for Carano ("White made it clear that if such a fight would happen, it would have to occur at 135 pounds."), so they sure aren't going to make one for you.

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/4/9...y-say-gina-carano-deserves-an-immediate-title

    Quit running, or does she only want to fight with a huge weight advantage where she can alter the scale to make weight? Complete lack of class and sportsmanship.

    http://www.mmaweekly.com/details-of-the-cyborg-vs-akano-controversy-2
     
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    I did not know that.
     
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    That's right, Bethe might pull Dillashaw tonight. :D
     

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