Ron Paul: "Bernie is just a variant of Trump"

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  1. speakhandsforme

    speakhandsforme Black Belt

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    If you ever needed a reminder that Ron Paul is a fucking moron, here is a fresh one:


    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...1285-ron-paul-sanders-just-a-variant-of-trump
     
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    Bukowski82 Buckle up belt

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    Sour grapes
     
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    HUNTERMANIA "I felt it." Platinum Member

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    More like the plain truth.
     
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    Austerity ghoul is back...
     
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    Bukowski82 Buckle up belt

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    Heeeey Buddy! Long time, no talk. Hope all is well... And you know I like Ron Paul, but it quite literally does not get more different than Trump and Sanders. Sanders is the antithesis of Trump, imo.
     
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    HUNTERMANIA "I felt it." Platinum Member

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    In a lot of ways, what you're saying is correct, but in terms of government power/expansion of government control, which is what RP is talking about, they're similar from a libertarian perspective.
     
  7. speakhandsforme

    speakhandsforme Black Belt

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    Do you have a lick of evidence for Sanders being "authoritarian" or a slave to the military industrial complex?

    It seems counter-intuitive since he, unlike most politicians, opposed both the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq War since their inception.

    Ron Paul, like always, is baseless in his claims. Seeing someone so deluded with libertarian rhetoric without the voting record to even represent his claims then accuse others of this shit is hilarious. Makes me wonder how the fuck anyone could have ever seriously supported him, unlike actual libertarian candidates like Gary Johnson.
     
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    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    To Libertarians everyone who favors any intervention is a hawk.

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/bernie-sanders-and-the-liberal-hawks

    It looks like he supported Kosovo, Israel (not nearly as ardently as others) Bill Clinton's interventions in Iraq.

    Most people wouldn't consider him a hawk except non-interventionists.
     
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    Possum Jenkins 3 Piece with a Soda Belt

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    Bernie's authoritarian because he wants to ramp up taxes on Wall Street and other big companies. He also wants to raise the minimum wage. He also wants to regulate wasteful industries.

    Limiting big business's ability to stuff as much money as they humanly can in their pockets = authoritarianism.
     
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    Who cares about Bernie? It's over, it's going to be Hildawg vs Trump. Stop talking about this can.
     
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    Ron was especially upset by Trump's quote about America not being a country where people who cannot afford medical care should be left to die in the streets.

    Far too tyrannical and authoritarian a position for an enlightened libertarian.
     
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    I don't care for his support of Israel, that's for sure. But I really dislike pure isolationist foreign policy as well and, perhaps compared to others on the left, am fairly militaristic in theory but just abhor the nation's choices of intervention. In fact, Clinton's in Iraq, Bush's into Afghanistan, and Obama's into Syria may be the only three of the past 40 years (actually taken) that I do /did support. But I am in no way informed on Kosovo and cannot offer an informed opinion on it.
     
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    Bernie will go down as the Ron Paul of 2016.
     
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    Anti-interventionism is one of Ron Paul's most heralded platforms...he voted for the war in Afghanistan.
     
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    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    Yes but Paul has said the only justification for the use of force is a direct attack on America. He considered this a response to 9/11 .

     
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    I think that's a problem with the Liberetarian perspective more than anything. Government is a tool which can be used a lot of different ways. To blame the tool itself, and say that candidates are the same because they intend to use that tool, detracts from what they actually intend to use that tool for.... which is what matters most.
     
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    Everything TS quoted RP saying is true. I see no evidence here making RP a moron.

    RP knows more about foreign policy and economics than Trump and Sanders put together.
     
  18. Fawlty

    Fawlty Beholed my Achomlishments

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    I wish I could like Ron Paul, but he's just a mess. Sanders has rational views on the military. And implying that he's an authoritarian is a little suspect, comparing him to Trump. Trump is an autocrat, while Bernie is not. Yes anybody can argue that something like FDR-style government is authoritarian, but the difference in execution and consent of the people is more than just wearing a different color.
     
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    There is a presupposition that a powerful tool will be inevitably abused, and I think that is correct. The only way to prevent abuse is to limit the power.

    It's a different way of looking at it I suppose, but in that sense it doesn't matter what a person says when it comes to expanding state power.
     
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    "He's part of the military industrial complex"

    Horse.Shit.
     

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