1. The official Sherdog Store is back! Check it out! » Discuss it here! »
Violence/Genocide: Do not condone violence or genocide on a person or group of people. You are free to attack a person or groups ideas but you are crossing the line when calling for violence. This will be heavily enforced in threads with breaking news involving victims.

Ron Paul: "Bernie is just a variant of Trump"

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by speakhandsforme, Mar 1, 2016.

  1. speakhandsforme Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    7,397
    Likes Received:
    0
    If you ever needed a reminder that Ron Paul is a fucking moron, here is a fresh one:


    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...1285-ron-paul-sanders-just-a-variant-of-trump
     
  2. Bukowski82 Buckle up belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    13,823
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    America
    Sour grapes
     
  3. HUNTERMANIA Always Striving.

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2005
    Messages:
    12,273
    Likes Received:
    12
    More like the plain truth.
     
  4. BoxingFan123 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    1,987
    Likes Received:
    0
    Austerity ghoul is back...
     
  5. Bukowski82 Buckle up belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    13,823
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    America
    Heeeey Buddy! Long time, no talk. Hope all is well... And you know I like Ron Paul, but it quite literally does not get more different than Trump and Sanders. Sanders is the antithesis of Trump, imo.
     
  6. HUNTERMANIA Always Striving.

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2005
    Messages:
    12,273
    Likes Received:
    12
    In a lot of ways, what you're saying is correct, but in terms of government power/expansion of government control, which is what RP is talking about, they're similar from a libertarian perspective.
     
  7. speakhandsforme Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    7,397
    Likes Received:
    0
    Do you have a lick of evidence for Sanders being "authoritarian" or a slave to the military industrial complex?

    It seems counter-intuitive since he, unlike most politicians, opposed both the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq War since their inception.

    Ron Paul, like always, is baseless in his claims. Seeing someone so deluded with libertarian rhetoric without the voting record to even represent his claims then accuse others of this shit is hilarious. Makes me wonder how the fuck anyone could have ever seriously supported him, unlike actual libertarian candidates like Gary Johnson.
     
  8. PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2012
    Messages:
    42,380
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Phila fucking delphia
    To Libertarians everyone who favors any intervention is a hawk.

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/bernie-sanders-and-the-liberal-hawks

    It looks like he supported Kosovo, Israel (not nearly as ardently as others) Bill Clinton's interventions in Iraq.

    Most people wouldn't consider him a hawk except non-interventionists.
     
  9. Possum Jenkins Great Replacement Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2010
    Messages:
    13,928
    Likes Received:
    2,632
    Location:
    Filling out blank ballots in Pennsylvania
    Bernie's authoritarian because he wants to ramp up taxes on Wall Street and other big companies. He also wants to raise the minimum wage. He also wants to regulate wasteful industries.

    Limiting big business's ability to stuff as much money as they humanly can in their pockets = authoritarianism.
     
  10. Prime Ang Kang Banned

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    30,353
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    ...
    Who cares about Bernie? It's over, it's going to be Hildawg vs Trump. Stop talking about this can.
     
  11. ultramanhyata Reclimbing Like Mountain

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    29,416
    Likes Received:
    5,703
    Location:
    GPS Error
    Ron was especially upset by Trump's quote about America not being a country where people who cannot afford medical care should be left to die in the streets.

    Far too tyrannical and authoritarian a position for an enlightened libertarian.
     
  12. speakhandsforme Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    7,397
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't care for his support of Israel, that's for sure. But I really dislike pure isolationist foreign policy as well and, perhaps compared to others on the left, am fairly militaristic in theory but just abhor the nation's choices of intervention. In fact, Clinton's in Iraq, Bush's into Afghanistan, and Obama's into Syria may be the only three of the past 40 years (actually taken) that I do /did support. But I am in no way informed on Kosovo and cannot offer an informed opinion on it.
     
  13. WorldofWarcraft Holy Paladin Banned

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    20,162
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    Bernie will go down as the Ron Paul of 2016.
     
  14. BoxingFan123 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    1,987
    Likes Received:
    0
    Anti-interventionism is one of Ron Paul's most heralded platforms...he voted for the war in Afghanistan.
     
  15. PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2012
    Messages:
    42,380
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Phila fucking delphia
    Yes but Paul has said the only justification for the use of force is a direct attack on America. He considered this a response to 9/11 .

     
  16. MeatheadMike Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2011
    Messages:
    4,183
    Likes Received:
    306
    Location:
    GOAT Farm
    I think that's a problem with the Liberetarian perspective more than anything. Government is a tool which can be used a lot of different ways. To blame the tool itself, and say that candidates are the same because they intend to use that tool, detracts from what they actually intend to use that tool for.... which is what matters most.
     
  17. Level25Virgin Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2010
    Messages:
    2,576
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    the state you don't mess with
    Everything TS quoted RP saying is true. I see no evidence here making RP a moron.

    RP knows more about foreign policy and economics than Trump and Sanders put together.
     
  18. Fawlty Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    45,301
    Likes Received:
    6,590
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    I wish I could like Ron Paul, but he's just a mess. Sanders has rational views on the military. And implying that he's an authoritarian is a little suspect, comparing him to Trump. Trump is an autocrat, while Bernie is not. Yes anybody can argue that something like FDR-style government is authoritarian, but the difference in execution and consent of the people is more than just wearing a different color.
     
  19. IDL Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    25,027
    Likes Received:
    69
    Location:
    Lending money to your government
    There is a presupposition that a powerful tool will be inevitably abused, and I think that is correct. The only way to prevent abuse is to limit the power.

    It's a different way of looking at it I suppose, but in that sense it doesn't matter what a person says when it comes to expanding state power.
     
  20. Fawlty Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    45,301
    Likes Received:
    6,590
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    "He's part of the military industrial complex"

    Horse.Shit.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.