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i just wanted to know if anyone had any good strategies for when you roll with people from a wrestling background. any in put would be helpful. thanks in adv.
rolling with wrestlers
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I posted this in a thread (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=294704) just the day other (but I'm adding a little more to this one):
Wrestlers are great fun to go with. By the nature and rules of wrestling, they have been trained to make mistakes in BJJ, and if you just take the time to examine these against your BJJ training, you'll see how many ways you can catch them.
They scoop the legs when in the guard and dive into triangles. They have no triangle awareness so you can even get them from under side control or all over the place.
They post on the mat a lot, making kimuras and omoplatas from guard easy. Just snap them down from guard with your legs and they'll start posting.
They dive in headfirst a lot, so guillotines are handy.
They don't know how to fight off their back, and tend to give up their back when scrambling up. I'll often let them come to their knees rather than try to pin them with side control (especially if they are bigger and explosive) just so I can work on taking the back or the crucifix (for the reverse omoplata).
Headlocks are retarded. I've pulled half guard just so they headlock me, giving me easy access to the back. I'll get both hooks and have an arm across their neck before they have even stopped trying to headlock me.
If they are wearing a gi, collar chokes of all kinds should be gimmes.
Make sure you are training no-gi too so you're not taken by surprise when they don't have one.
I've come to know these things after rolling with a lot of wrestlers and talking to them about their training. Just think of all the things that BJJ has that wrestling does not and you'll see where you can take advantage of them. Submissions, sweeps, guards, and so on.
Wrestlers are great fun to go with. By the nature and rules of wrestling, they have been trained to make mistakes in BJJ, and if you just take the time to examine these against your BJJ training, you'll see how many ways you can catch them.
They scoop the legs when in the guard and dive into triangles. They have no triangle awareness so you can even get them from under side control or all over the place.
They post on the mat a lot, making kimuras and omoplatas from guard easy. Just snap them down from guard with your legs and they'll start posting.
They dive in headfirst a lot, so guillotines are handy.
They don't know how to fight off their back, and tend to give up their back when scrambling up. I'll often let them come to their knees rather than try to pin them with side control (especially if they are bigger and explosive) just so I can work on taking the back or the crucifix (for the reverse omoplata).
Headlocks are retarded. I've pulled half guard just so they headlock me, giving me easy access to the back. I'll get both hooks and have an arm across their neck before they have even stopped trying to headlock me.
If they are wearing a gi, collar chokes of all kinds should be gimmes.
Make sure you are training no-gi too so you're not taken by surprise when they don't have one.
I've come to know these things after rolling with a lot of wrestlers and talking to them about their training. Just think of all the things that BJJ has that wrestling does not and you'll see where you can take advantage of them. Submissions, sweeps, guards, and so on.
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I've got a novel idea ... learn wrestling.
No seriously. My wrestling buddies always ask me what they should do against BJJ/Sub Wrestlers. My response is the same: learn BJJ.
Takedowns, throws, and position control, which wrestlers are known for, are all integral parts of BJJ as well. For whatever reason, some schools do not emphasize these aspects of BJJ very well. This is discouraging. If your school follows this (incorrect) methodology, buy some freestyle/Greco (and Judo) takedown DVDs. Then practice these moves with your more open-minded training partners before or after class. You might start a trend.
No seriously. My wrestling buddies always ask me what they should do against BJJ/Sub Wrestlers. My response is the same: learn BJJ.
Takedowns, throws, and position control, which wrestlers are known for, are all integral parts of BJJ as well. For whatever reason, some schools do not emphasize these aspects of BJJ very well. This is discouraging. If your school follows this (incorrect) methodology, buy some freestyle/Greco (and Judo) takedown DVDs. Then practice these moves with your more open-minded training partners before or after class. You might start a trend.
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A personal favorite is climbing my guard so they get uncomfortable and try to stack me, which puts all their weight forward, making the pendulum sweep easy.
Another one I've played with is a counter to them trying to hold head and arm while in my guard. I'll underhook the arm that's over my shoulder and frame their neck to create space, then go to a reverse armbar (or whatever you call them), kinda like this:
Though when I finish it, I try to get out the side more and put my knee on their shoulder to drive them down to the mat.
Another one I've played with is a counter to them trying to hold head and arm while in my guard. I'll underhook the arm that's over my shoulder and frame their neck to create space, then go to a reverse armbar (or whatever you call them), kinda like this:
Though when I finish it, I try to get out the side more and put my knee on their shoulder to drive them down to the mat.
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Wrestlers can be hard to roll with, but I've beaten a former college wrestler who was pretty stout. He held top position for a while, but he tried some goofy move where he kneeled over and grabbed my ankle. While doing this he gave me his back, so i just pulled my ankle out and RNC'd him. The guy definately knew how to use his weight though, he felt like he was 300 pounds.
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That is usually the same response I try to give people. Once you learn your opponents game it makes it easier to defeat them. When a BJJ guy learns wrestling he will know what moves the wrestler will do and vice versa.Coach Couzo said:
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bring ice from your neck is a good one lol
i'd say sprawl well and try not to end up on the bottom
i'd say sprawl well and try not to end up on the bottom
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work from the bottom...
triangles, sweep and get the back, butterfly guard and take the top, etc ...
triangles, sweep and get the back, butterfly guard and take the top, etc ...
