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roger gracie vs kevin RNC??? variant?

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by jctx09, Aug 6, 2010.

  1. jctx09

    jctx09 White Belt

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    Can someone tell me what kind of variant of RNC Roger did on Kevin Randleman? It is defintely not locked in the way I learned it. He does block off both arteries though.

    Is there a specific name for this choke variation? Is it on an instructional tape somewhere?

    Thanks,
     
  2. HardEight

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    Yeah, I believe it is called doing it the correct way....
     
  3. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    What? That was a textbook rear naked choke. I wonder what you learned...?
     
  4. animalistik

    animalistik Green Belt

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    I don't think it's a "variant," but he's referring to the fact that Roger's forearm was positioned in front of Randleman instead of his elbow.

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    It's still the same thing, just at a bit of a different angle.
     
  5. Quixand

    Quixand Orange Belt

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    The elbow at the chin is a blood choke. The forearm against the adam's apple is an air choke/pain move.
     
  6. Shemhazai

    Shemhazai Black Belt

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    Is that why Randleman was unconscious after about five seconds?

    Oh, and I think Roger's variant is called "having really long arms and being able to lock it like that."
     
  7. Quixand

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    Try the two, and see what YOU think.
     
  8. hughes fan

    hughes fan Silver Belt

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    I think it's been touched on but it's really just an angle difference more than anything.
     
  9. jctx09

    jctx09 White Belt

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    Quixand, you hit it right. The forearm angle threw me off. I know his long arms came into play and I could definitey see how it worked but I wanted more feedback for my own education.

    Thanks!
     
  10. Sloth

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    I think that's the same angle that he hit it on Jacare at ADCC 05. I've seen a couple of guys do it that way. Hell, any way to choke someone on their back seems to work well, but I wonder if it's a deliberate thing with a purpose or not.
     
  11. Quixand

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    The only difference with the forearm variation is the pain that is involved in it.

    It's STILL going to choke you out, as was evident in this fight.
    It just hurts REALLY badly, and can actually do horrible damage to your throat if it catches your adams apple, or collapses your wind pipe. Essentially, it has a reverse guillotine feel to it.

    Still a RNC, just a bit different.
     
  12. Shemhazai

    Shemhazai Black Belt

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    See, now we're in agreement.
     
  13. Quixand

    Quixand Orange Belt

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    I'm sorry for not being more clear Semhazai. I assumed by using the term air choke, you would understand what that meant. An air choke is no different imo to a blood choke. They go night night either way. LMAO
     
  14. Belatucadros

    Belatucadros Brown Belt

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    One's a bit quicker. You can hold out against an air choke a lot longer than a blood choke, depending on your pain tolerance of course.
     
  15. Rod1

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    It does looks like an Hadaka-jime which is a throat choke, but the difference is that he is pushing the head of the opponent to the side instead so the carotid is targeted, if Roger pushed the head straigth forward it would be a throat choke.
     
  16. Quixand

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    Despite that, he's clearly drawing his forearm in, like a guillotine. This move has it all!
     
  17. Rod1

    Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    No, the forearm choke, comes from Hadaka jime a direct throat attack, the RNC comes from the kataha jime but adapted for no-gi which targets the carotid.

    This is mainly the ability of Roger to lock the RNC with his long arms, not because forearm RNC and normal RNC are the same.
     
  18. Leon

    Leon Brown Belt

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    My BJJ coach told us in class that the elbow under the chin is a way to secure that your opponents windpipe will normally NOT be damaged.

    The forearm choke can easily damage the windpipe and adams apple which isn't necessary.
     
  19. Quixand

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    100% Leon.
     
  20. Drew Foster

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    Doesn't have to be. Roger did a blood choke and put Kevin to sleep in about 2 seconds.
     

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