Robert Whitaker attacks UFC pay.

[Loiosh]

So instead of wanting and having fair compensation for a sport you enjoy, people should just stop going into pro MMA. Seems fair, bud.

Are you opposed to change in general?

Who determines what's fair?

 

[RagingBeringola]

So you are fine with ufc buying the competition and paying fighters less and think Whitaker is wrong?

If the ufc actually built their fighters, payed them more, they would be making more ppv, attract more fighters/prospects.

But some people actually think getting rebook gear and 20K for CTE is good enough while the other side makes millions

It's not about being fair or not. It's about how the market works. If you have a business where you're the top dog in the field, pay more than the concurrence and eery guy good in your field wants to work for you… What would make you raise their pay? You can raise their pay because you think they deserve it and you already make enough of them. But most companies work with numbers, and your worth is what people are willing to pay you for what you do.

Example (bad, but still): you can be the best doctor in the world and save plenty of lifes. Still, some guys playing baseball, hockey or even acting or singing will make more than you. I'm not saying it's fair, but seems to be how it works.

There are people complaining on how doctors get paid so little compared to other people with jobs that are less relevant for society. Still, I don't see them wanting to pay their docs fortunes.

 

[Chappi]

Damn man all those people speaking out against the fighters.
You people are all the perfect employees, because you will all work for whatever your boss pays you and you will never speak out against your employer, no matter what he does because if you don't like it you will just go do your other dream job.
You just work and shut up, the perfect ( almost lifelike ) employees.
Idiots!

 

[ostlerrage]

capitalism 101. you get paid what the 1 percenters decide to give you.

 

[Iroh]

Who determines what's fair?

Trade of equal value is what is considered fair. How the value is established differs and is open to discussion.

In this case the study of economics has developed many philosophies and mechanisms to try to create a logical consensus of how to achieve definitions of what is unfair and fair in various situations.

 

[Loiosh]

So you are fine with ufc buying the competition and paying fighters less and think Whitaker is wrong?

If the ufc actually built their fighters, payed them more, they would be making more ppv, attract more fighters/prospects.

But some people actually think getting rebook gear and 20K for CTE is good enough while the other side makes millions

Do you have the remotest idea of how much fighter pay has increased in the UFC over the past ten years?

For the bottom tier it's increased by more than an order of magnitude. That isn't an exaggeration. For UFC 232 the very lowest paid fighters received 12k on the early prelims, and they were a couple of guys you've never heard of.

 

[Loiosh]

Trade of equal value is what is considered fair. How the value is established differs and is open to discussion.

In this case the study of economics has developed many philosophies and mechanisms to try to create a logical consensus of how to achieve definitions of what is unfair and fair in various situations.

I'd be open to hearing some arguments about why the current model isn't fair but I've yet to hear anything compelling, and the fact it's a young sport with a rapidly increasing pay structure is always ignored.

 

[Iroh]

I'd be open to hearing some arguments about why the current model isn't fair but I've yet to hear anything compelling, and the fact it's a young sport with a rapidly increasing pay structure is always ignored.

I already made arguments in other posts. I'm also not gonna stay online for long, so don't expect a long discussion out of me, bud.

If you really want see a more elaborate analysis than search on google and maybe some economist has made his or her analyses about the UFC's practices public.

 

[mooseman17]

Underpaid compared to who? Also who is underpaid, the top guys? the middle guys? the curtain jerkers?

 

[Zefram Cochrane]

He's in Australia and not the US so it's a civilised country with universal healthcare the sort of thing you idiots think is socialist.
Shitty pay is a capitalist dream though where the bosses get rich of the back of their employees so Whittaker is living part of the American Dream, it's just a shame the Aussies have strick gun control laws.

I don't get why you get worked up. It's a legitimate question, as it was one of the selling points the UFC used to PR their fighter treatment.
And I live in a country where universal healthcare exists, it doesn't mean one can't use private insurance.

 

[Franklin U.]

It's 2019 UFC mainstream ,still does it's pricey ppvs..... just signed a gazillion dollar deal with espn and with revenue they take in and now sitting atop, they can make effort to evolve the average fighter pay...... and even though it's not a team sport, fighter A doesn't pocket all his show/ win $$$.
Throw in fact the brutality of sport, the actual entertainers deserve better.

 

[Threetrees]

The world is not obligated to do anything, Yet there are a lot of occupations that have fair compensation because they have strived to get them. Why should MMA fighters not strife to get fair compensation?

Strife indeed

 

[ferrisjso]

UFC tends to underpay the higher guys and overpay the lower one's. I like this system cause everyone's got to start at the bottom and being at the top is not, people's financial security shouldn't be dependent on winning titles and main eventing and UFC's system's pretty good. Again with Reebok established stars hate the deal for the fighter community as a whole probably a better case to be made, though Dana used them as a shield to do what he wanted to do anyway. Also this technique is a brilliant way of fighting unionization. Usually management appeases the big guys(like Hulk Hogan with the WWE one) to keep the little one's down but here the UFC is doing the opposite giving the smaller guys who are the majority the best deal.

The stars were probably underpaid, I say WERE because stars generate much less extra revenue than they used to. There's only a handful of people who can do PPV numbers that were considered decent back in the day. Now is when the UFC's way of doing things makes the most sense, a few years ago the champs had a much much better case and I was on their side entirely. Whitaker is not exactly a great example of a star who needs to make more money and I don't think he could have picked worse timing to make this case given what just happened.

Guys who get it the worst probably are the talents who are capable of being champ but aren't doing main events. This is why I guess people who go to Bellator tend to be non champ top 5-10 types who are just below the main event. Listened to a Michael McDonald interview awhile ago who couldn't afford to fight in the UFC and he was a former title contender, most of the UFC guys who end up there tend to fit that profile, top 5-10, doesn't win enough to get into the main event. People say not to go with the official salary numbers and this is fine and good with the champs who get PPV points, likely large bonuses but for other top 10 guys the official numbers are probably most of the story, in that McDonald interview he was discussing bartering over a 10,000 a fight raise with Shelby. Honestly I think the best way to get these guys paid is to keep the title moving quickly as possible giving as many people main event time. Lately this hasn't happened and title fights being prolonged like Whitaker's prolong the entire divisions ability to earn more.

 

[LockardTheGOAT]

I love to fuck super models.

Someone is required to pay me millions to do so.

If you're gonna make an analogy, at least make one that... you know... is actually similar.

 

[iwillbebackin3weeks]

MMA payment is shit, no shit sherlock.

 

[DespicablePeep]

I love to fuck super models.

Someone is required to pay me millions to do so.

People pay money to watch Whiteker fight and it draws millions you stupid goof.

 

[Iroh]

Strife indeed

*strive

 

[mmacasualviewer]

Case in point. The UFC wastes a lot of money promoting fighters that will always be mid tier level in drawing ability. They give the marketing department too much money to piss away.

 

[Gmork]

The world is not obligated to pay you money to do what you love.

He's the best in the world at it, you arm-chair pseudo-intellectual. The UFC is worth billions of dollars because of the FIGHTERS. Not the Dana, not WME, but because of the badass people that fight in a cage and make us want to watch. They deserve the lion's share of that money. People like you, who side with a large company of no-talent leeches over the actual fighters in the cage, disgust me. You're not half as smart or cool as you think you are, son.

 

[Gmork]

Then he shouldn't bitch about pay. We all know what the high-paying professions are. Make a choice. He wouldn't be complaining if he was in the NFL.

If he chose to do what he loves for less pay, he should be happy with that

Or maybe people in professions that deserve higher pay should speak up and fight for higher pay? I swear, bro, you think a lot of yourself for a fucking moron.