Robert Whitaker attacks UFC pay.

[SherdogFan23]

What kind of fucking idiot are you? If he has a valid complaint about an organization not paying their fighters enough, then yes, he has every right to complain. How would things EVER change for the better anywhere following your logic?

When has complaining ever fixed the problem? If you sign the contract you accept the pay.

He can switch to Bellator at the end of his contract or retire. Both have more success than complaining.

 

[thobra]

Even casuals know the UFC is the best organization. You probably thought MVP was unbeatable before yesterdays performance against....

Of course everyone knows that, but more fighters go to Bellator now because they often pay better. Mousasi And Bader never left the UFC because the UFC didn’t want them, but because they chose to. We also see fighters having just as tough fights in Bellator that in the UFC. European orgs Are also great, And many fighters there sure could be top 5 in the UFC.

Many young fans have bought into the ufc hype, And follow it like a gult. You should watch some other orgs too. You would be surprised, And maybe stop the «bummator» talks. It Sounds a bit silly. KSW is great. Many phenomenal fights And fighters.

 

[BeardotheWeirdo]

How is “the market in itself unfair”?

Because UFC bought and folded the competition then payed off the government officials that investigated them for monopolizing the sport.

They bought the market, fighters (and fans) have almost no options.

The supposed free market works when employees and customers are free to try different options, forcing the service-providers/employers to behave fairly or lose business/employees to their competition.

I love to fuck super models.

Someone is required to pay me millions to do so.

No one wants to pay to see you.

We do want to pay to see the fighters, but unfortunately we can't without giving 85-90% of our money to the promoter.

If everyone was here to read your posts only, and Sherdog would die tomorrow without you, would you be happy with only 10% of the profits they make? Or would you deserve more, since you're literally providing the entertainment and all the substance?

Do you see the difference? It's not complicated at all.

 

[BeardotheWeirdo]

When has complaining ever fixed the problem? If you sign the contract you accept the pay.

He can switch to Bellator at the end of his contract or retire. Both have more success than complaining.

Seriously?

Ever heard of Rosa Parks? Gandhi? The civil rights movement? Unions?

You think the problem of slavery was solved without complaining?

Come on now, try using your brain, you might be surprised by what it can do.

 

[SherdogFan23]

Seriously?

Ever heard of Rosa Parks? Gandhi? The civil rights movement? Unions?

You think the problem of slavery was solved without complaining?

Come on now, try using your brain, you might be surprised by what it can do.

You are hilarious. ....And especially your statement about using the brain afterward.

Name all the fighter pay improvements that have occurred from complaining. This is a contractual agreement and not some violation of human rights. These fighters aren't forced to fight. They aren't forced to sign the contracts. They can sign on with Bellator, Rizin, etc instead. They can retire when they want. They can form a Union, but that is worthless in their current situation. Unions are for employees, not contracts.

 

[RampageFaction]

Actually they lose millions because of the PPV structure. Even viewers are actually too lazy to ask for refunds for short notice main event cancellations, so the UFC doesn't really lose out.

UFC also has sponsorships exclusive to them and a tiny percentage if not none are given to the UFC fighters.

I don’t know how much success you’d have asking for a refund when it clearly states “card subject to change.”

 

[BeardotheWeirdo]

You are hilarious. ....And especially your statement about using the brain afterward.

Name all the fighter pay improvements that have occurred from complaining. This is a contractual agreement and not some violation of human rights. These fighters aren't forced to fight. They aren't forced to sign the contracts. They can sign on with Bellator, Rizin, etc instead. They can retire when they want. They can form a Union, but that is worthless in their current situation. Unions are for employees, not contracts.

Seriously.

The Diaz bros, Conor, Anderson... basically every fighter that's negotiated their contract, is essentially complaining about their pay.

Who's saying low pay should allow fighters to break their contracts?

And it is a violation of human rights, that's why the government has anti-trust and anti-monopoly practices in place. Competition is good.

Unions are responsible for weekends. They complained and workers got more time off. I used it as an example to show how complaining is effective.

Well exclusive contracts are for employees and not contractors also. So are likeness rights. The fact that UFC gets away with that is another example of how the market is unfair.

Robert isn't just complaining for himself, he's complaining for all MMA fighters.

 

[Loiosh]

No one wants to pay to see you.

We do want to pay to see the fighters, but unfortunately we can't without giving 85-90% of our money to the promoter.

If everyone was here to read your posts only, and Sherdog would die tomorrow without you, would you be happy with only 10% of the profits they make? Or would you deserve more, since you're literally providing the entertainment and all the substance?

Do you see the difference? It's not complicated at all.

Actually, it is in fact a lot more complicated than that.

But the bottom dollar is that fighters are a replaceable, homogeneous commodity, and the ones who aren't get paid a hell of a lot more. That's the honest truth if you want to simplify things all the way.

Fighter pay probably isn't quite where it needs to be yet, but if you're paying attention you'll find it's rising pretty quickly, especially for the bottom of the scale, where it's risen by more than an order of magnitude in the last decade.

 

[IamStryker]

The world is not obligated to pay you money to do what you love.

Yet in this case there is plenty of reasons he should be paid that money......

 

[kuka45]

I like Robert but guy is fighting like once per year.

 

[BeardotheWeirdo]

Actually, it is in fact a lot more complicated than that.

But the bottom dollar is that fighters are a replaceable, homogeneous commodity, and the ones who aren't get paid a hell of a lot more. That's the honest truth if you want to simplify things all the way.

Fighter pay probably isn't quite where it needs to be yet, but if you're paying attention you'll find it's rising pretty quickly, especially for the bottom of the scale, where it's risen by more than an order of magnitude in the last decade.

There are replaceable players on every professional sports team. The athletes in those sports still earn a much greater portion of the profits that sport generates. The two are unrelated.

 

[El Fernas]

The world is not obligated to pay you money to do what you love.

That makes sense when what you love does not generate huge money, fighting does, they did sold out an arena and the event was also a PPV, this has to make more than enough money to pay this guys good money, boxing does it.

 

[ferrisjso]

This is an incredible strategy to keep the belt. Right nows really the time he's going to bring that up?

 

[Loiosh]

There are replaceable players on every professional sports team. The athletes in those sports still earn a much greater portion of the profits that sport generates. The two are unrelated.

When are you guys going to learn that comparing MMA to team sports makes absolutely no sense?

On any level.

MMA is show business. If you don't appear on a show and nobody cares, you don't have much value. You're a Rockette.

 

[BeardotheWeirdo]

When are you guys going to learn that comparing MMA to team sports makes absolutely no sense?

On any level.

MMA is show business. If you don't appear on a show and nobody cares, you don't have much value. You're a Rockette.

Well then they should only do two cards a year with only the best on them, since no one cares about the rest. Right?

Shill on dude. Maybe Dana will give you some of his money one day.

 

[Loiosh]

Well then they should only do two cards a year with only the best on them, since no one cares about the rest. Right?

Shill on dude. Maybe Dana will give you some of his money one day.

I'm not a shill. I'm an adult.

Look, this is a complex topic. The fighters should get more, and gradually they are. Not so gradually if you're an prelim fighter as their pay has increased by an order of magnitude in less than a decade.

Fighters will never see revenue sharing at the same level we see in team sports.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

Fighters will never see revenue sharing at the same level we see in team sports.

I def know nothing about this but isn't that what someone like Conor and Mayweather did? They really pushed their value to either pay them or the fights off. Again I'm not knowledgable about the topic.