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90% of the roster will be gone with all these suspensions!

Stop being such a drama queen!

Imagine if the penalty for using PEDs was castration. Would anybody argue that we will end up with hundreds of eunuchs in the UFC? No. Because only the most idiotic or insane fighter would risk using under these circumstances.

Obviously castration will never be the penalty. But what needs to happen are consequences that will make fighters decide that potentially losing while clean is a much better option than taking PEDs in the hopes it will aid in winning. We still don't know where that threshold is. A pocket change fine plus a year suspension obviously was not it. Maybe a two year ban is enough. Once that threshold is established, very few fighters will pop much less 90%.


Performance is going to suffer.

Performance is all relative. There will always be the best fighter in a weight class. There will always be top 15 ranked fighters. Two debuting guys on the Fight Pass prelims can put on the FOTN. There are fights from 2006 that blow most 2016 fights out of the water.

It's ridiculous to suggest that every fighter will turn into a Artem Lobov


Your favorite fighter was never truly great. They might have even been a can without PEDs.

This is not an argument but an unspoken fear that triggers anti-USADA sentiment.

You really think Hendo, Vitor, etc., would have had the same exact win-loss record if they were always clean? C'mon son! Would it have been better? LOL!

Imagine the kayfabe world of pro wrestling where the bad guy hits his opponent with a weapon that then ref did not see. The bad guy won but was he truly the better wrestler? He cheated! No one knows a fighter is on PEDs before a fight. Not they're opponent, the ref, the commission, the promoter. But he cheated just the same.

Your fave is a fraud. A poser. A fake fighter. It's hard to accept but don't blame USADA for exposing the truth.

WAR USADA!
 
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Kind of a catch 22 for me.

Funny to see some of these folks get busted but also kind of sucky to see so many fighters sitting on the sidelines for what may be the primes of their careers. But shit happens.
 
Well one undeniable fact is that USADA will cost matchups that otherwise would have happened had they not been involved in the UFC and the UFC just continued with regular SAC testing. For example Jones/Cormier 2, maybe Jones/Gustaffsson 2. Brock vs anyone else going forward. And many others have fell through because of USADA.

So if people are anti-USADA let's not act like there isn't any legit reasons to be against them.
 
I'm certainly for USADA, but I'm also for a quicker turnaround for test results. Brock tested hot on 6/28 and was still allowed to fight 12 days later.
 
It's a shame so many goofs couldn't beat archaic methods and fight night testing. With where we are now unfortunately IDK if we can put the toothpaste back in the tube.
 
Well one undeniable fact is that USADA will cost matchups that otherwise would have happened had they not been involved in the UFC and the UFC just continued with regular SAC testing. For example Jones/Cormier 2, maybe Jones/Gustaffsson 2. Brock vs anyone else going forward. And many others have fell through because of USADA.

So if people are anti-USADA let's not act like there isn't any legit reasons to be against them.
why is USADA to blame, they didnt make these people take anything, those people did that to themselves, you want to hate on something/someone as a cause for not seeing what could have been some good fights then point your finger in the right direction...namely at the cheaters themselves....
 
How about the USADA is a piece of garbage org without an unknown agenda and the power of God over fighters careers, ability to put money on the table, and breathe freely.
 
why is USADA to blame, they didnt make these people take anything, those people did that to themselves, you want to hate on something/someone as a cause for not seeing what could have been some good fights then point your finger in the right direction...namely at the cheaters themselves....

Nobody placed blame anywhere the question is about whether or not someone prefers the UFC to have USADA testing or not. There's reasons for and against, but I think it's pretty telling that there isn't a single professional org in the US that allows USADA to have control over the testing of their athletes or allows USADA do hand out punishment for failed drug tests.
 
Well one undeniable fact is that USADA will cost matchups that otherwise would have happened had they not been involved in the UFC and the UFC just continued with regular SAC testing. For example Jones/Cormier 2, maybe Jones/Gustaffsson 2. Brock vs anyone else going forward. And many others have fell through because of USADA.

So if people are anti-USADA let's not act like there isn't any legit reasons to be against them.

That's like blaming the car for a carjacking. USADA has nothing to do if fighters aren't cheating.
 
How about the USADA is a piece of garbage org without an unknown agenda and the power of God over fighters careers, ability to put money on the table, and breathe freely.
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The problem with USADA is that the government is deciding what's a PED, what's a dangerous, etc. It invites corruption, incompetence and moral hazard, just like the "war on drugs" in greater society.
 
Nobody placed blame anywhere the question is about whether or not someone prefers the UFC to have USADA testing or not. There's reasons for and against, but I think it's pretty telling that there isn't a single professional org in the US that allows USADA to have control over the testing of their athletes or allows USADA do hand out punishment for failed drug tests.
youre saying USADA will cost match ups...which is blaming USADA, its not USADA that will cost match ups, its the cheaters that USADA catches...., its like saying a Ref cost a match up where one fighter illegally soccer kicked another fighter in the face when he was down

what other sports do and dont do is irrelevant, the rules are what they are, USADA has been brought in to enforce the rules since their predecessors failed so miserably at doing so

the blame 150% falls onto the fighters cheating period
 
How about the USADA is a piece of garbage org without an unknown agenda and the power of God over fighters careers, ability to put money on the table, and breathe freely.
how about the USADA is a testing org with that exact agenda, the agenda that the UFC has tasked them with and given them the power of "god" over peoples career....ah but wait.....they dont have the power of god over them, only the fighters themselves have the power of god over themselves....USADA never forced them to cheat against the rules, USADA didnt ruin their careers, ability to put money on the table or breathe freely, the company these fighters work for (( THE UFC)) hired USADA that means USADA for all intensive purposes is part of the UFC, the company these fighters work for....the fighters ability to have a career in the UFC, to use the UFC as a means to put food on the table relies on following the UFC's standards and rules
 
Good explanation TS but war science experiments
 
I understand both sides tbh. I think ideally everyone would be clean I just wish they would suspend people for like 6 months then 2 years on second offense. It sucks to see big fights scrapped over this and fighters like Jones gone for two years when he's arguably the best ever. I don't agree with doping at all especially in fighting when you can harm your opponent but soon everyone is going to be gone for the next two years.
 
I think you're on to something. If the penalty was castration. I don't think any fighters would be doping. Lol.
 
how about the USADA is a testing org with that exact agenda, the agenda that the UFC has tasked them with and given them the power of "god" over peoples career....ah but wait.....they dont have the power of god over them, only the fighters themselves have the power of god over themselves....USADA never forced them to cheat against the rules, USADA didnt ruin their careers, ability to put money on the table or breathe freely, the company these fighters work for (( THE UFC)) hired USADA that means USADA for all intensive purposes is part of the UFC, the company these fighters work for....the fighters ability to have a career in the UFC, to use the UFC as a means to put food on the table relies on following the UFC's standards and rules
This feel like a giant stretch. Can't get behind your viewpoint, and I'm not probably not going to change your mind on Evil Corp aka USADA
, but well said.
 
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