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Elections Republicans Have Won Popular Vote Once Since 1988 : Update Lost Again

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  1. helltoupee Black Belt

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    Of course people live differently. Of course there is a contrast between rural and urban. As you point out, this is why big cities usually lean democrat, because as more people are rubbing elbows, there is a call for more regulation and protections.

    However, this does nothing to shed light on what the true intentions of the founding fathers may have been, which is the same as it is for everybody else, self preservation. More than a few of our founding fathers specifically stated the need for a government that would protect propertied individuals such as themselves from the general working class. They full well knew they were the "minority".

    Second, as you correctly stated, yes it would suck to have city dwellers making all the decisions for rural folk, but the electoral college does nothing to fix that. Instead, it ensures that a minority will always retain control over the majority. The pendulum has simply swung in the opposite direction. In our example, you have 500,000 people in Wyoming deciding what's best for the 50 million people in CA, so to speak.

    I really think the country should be split in two. As you stated, city and rural are two completely different ways of living and wanting to be governed. The real problem is that most all those red states would collapse without the evil commie bastard blue states supporting them. This entire notion of running a government like a business, as many who were optimistic of Trump were hopeful in 2016, is totally bunk. Not all things of social value are profitable and the only reason this sorry excuse for a special interest group called the Republican party even exists in this day and age is because it is constantly tempered by the left. Mind you, I am specifically talking about Republican politicians. I will absolutely agree that theoretically diversity is important, and there are some basic Conservative tenets that are important. However, that is not what the Republican political party cares about, and it is reflected in their actual politics.

    Blue states would be just fine, and probably better off. Red states would be the anglo equivalent of North Korea. As far as I'm concerned, red states should be thankful that the big city blue states even allow them to have a say in how the country is ran, as I cannot think of a singular Republican policy, program, or idea in the last 50 years that has been anything but a sugar coated giveaway to a very small interest group. I am sick and tired of reading just about every other dumbass in the Warroom bitching and moaning about CA and NY, or "the left" and how evil it is. Republican rule, when stripped of it's liberal constraints, looks like a completely backwards reactionary shitfest, so if that is how all these dorks want to live, so be it. It's not like if they were to segregate, the rest of us would miss out on any great contributions or anything.
     
  2. blaseblah Steel Belt

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    When you have two poor candidates one of them has to win. That doesn't mean the winner was a great candidate. This election is largely a referendum on Trump.

    I live in a strongly Democratic area and no one here is particularly excited about Biden. Not like they were for Obama.
     
  3. James Bomb Red Belt

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    Obama was a pretty unique candidate for a number of reasons. A candidate doesn't have to be exciting to be a good leader. It's not WrestleMania.
     
  4. Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    Do you really though?

    Wyoming has 3 electoral votes
    California has 55
    New York has 29
    Washington has 12
    Oregon has 7

    I just grabbed 4 states that basically have little to no chance of flipping red. Dems have won each of those states I am pretty sure every presidential election going back to probably the late 80s?

    With just four states, the Democratic nominee has 103 of the necessary 270 to win. In 4 states you already have half the votes you need to win.

    If you really wanted to make the electoral college feel closer to a popular vote? Give out the electoral votes for each state in proportion instead of winner take all.
     
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  5. Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    I still contend make the EC divying up be via proportion instead of winner take all. If you look at percentage of people able to vote that don't I do wonder how many don't vote because they lean right in a state like CA, NY, or WA and feel their vote doesn't matter (or lean left in a state like WY, UT, or OK that is very red).

    If you cut the electoral college up proportionally it gets CLOSER to being able to match the popular vote while still and might encourage others that are cynical about the whole system willing to vote.
     
  6. NickNick Black Belt

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    How is that any different than a bunch of small areas in the sticks deciding what's best for the country? Right now the Republican majority Senate represents 15 million fewer people than the Democratic minority. I don't know what the solution is but the way it is now isn't right.
     
  7. blaseblah Steel Belt

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    As I already pointed out, over half the country believes Biden is mentally unfit to be president. That's not a good look, no matter how you spin it. He's the less worse choice, in comparison to a terrible president. He's not a good candidate on his own.
     
  8. Jkillah Green Belt

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    I think regional representation is correct. California and Nee York know nothing about the needs of Louisiana.
     
  9. Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    Do you not know the Senate exists because places like Rhode Island didn't want to get trampled by more populated areas like NY, Mass, and Virginia when the Constitution became a thing?
     
  10. James Bomb Red Belt

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    Biden wasn't my first choice either.

    But when it comes down to picking between a "Person woman man camera TV" candidate who mocks disabled reporters and whose entire administration is a roaring dumpster fire, versus a decent person, I'll choose the latter every single time.
     
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    103 is not half of 270. Its 38% that is a HUGE difference, especially when it comes to states and the numbers we are dealing with
     
  12. Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    My point more was with just 4 states you are near half of what you need. I typed that up while chowing down on my lunch at work give me a break.

    If you want to compare that to states that always almost carry a Republican vote like Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and like Arkansas the Republicans are likely well behind the four that Dems almost always carry.
     
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  13. Gambit MMA Silver Belt

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    theres nothing sneaky about the electoral college lol

    if you take the 5m+ more votes the democrat candidate will get in NY or CA for example, theirs your difference in the popular vote. 1 state. trump won the vote in like 30 something states. hillary had like 2-3 more in the end because in CA she had like 7-8 mill and trump had 3-4 mill.

    not hard to understand
     
  14. blaseblah Steel Belt

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    I've said repeatedly I'm not comparing him to Trump. It's beating a dead horse at this point.

    If you ranked the Democratic nominees from 2000 to now, where would you put Biden? He'd be dead last on my list.
     
  15. Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    Did you forget about that colossal piece of shit John Edwards?
     
  16. blaseblah Steel Belt

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    He was never the Democratic nominee for president. Also we didn't know he was a piece of shit at the time.
     
  17. Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    And I derped again and missed the "nominee" part.

    Goddamnit can my work week end?
     
  18. Oceanmachine Brown Belt

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    yes I will agree there. They can afford to focus on fewer states, 38% is far from 50% BUT, it is still sizable %.
     
  19. Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    The Dems get almost without fighting for it around 80 votes between CA and NY. Meanwhile... Republicans would have to carry the entire midwest to even get near that and they traditionally lose Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan who all have sizable populations and Texas is getting more purple from CA transplants.
     
  20. jx820 Silver Belt

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    I don't thing any democrat has ever won an electoral college victory without winning the popular vote. When the system looks like it's representing the people they forget it's broken and move on with their lives.

    I think it's worth getting rid of not becaue of who wins or who doesn't, but because candidates only end up havnig to appeal to voters from like 10 swing states, and the 40 states that can make up their mind get nothing in the deal.
     

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