International Repression the only thing Cuba got right.

[Rod1]

Imported repression: How Cuba taught Venezuela to quash military dissent

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/venezuela-cuba-military/

This has been known since forever, but now Reuters actually got a hand on evidence and its reporting about it.

Basically Cuba is a cancer in Latin America everything it touches dies they dont know how to run a country but they certainly know how to establish a fail-proof repression apparatus and export it.

@Trotsky Open your eyes man, its all a scam.

And no, it doesnt means the US intentions in Venezuela are noble either, fuck imperialism, but fuck Cuba imperialism in particular.

 

[Trotsky]

Yes, it's obviously been well-known that Cuban intelligence, which has for decades been lauded around the globe, has been aiding the Venezuelan government. Your phrasing is, of course, meant to mislead people to think that the "repression" being talked about is repression of the people rather than the consolidation of political support in the military to prevent a right-wing coup.

In short: I have been to Cuba. You haven't. To me, it's a real thing. To you, it's a tool for your agenda. So forgive me that I am tiring of being brought into Cuba-bashing conversations, particularly ones that use not-so-breaking news stories as transparent vessels for histrionics about how Cuba is somehow the cancer of Latin America.

 

[Rod1]

Yes, it's obviously been well-known that Cuban intelligence, which has for decades been lauded around the globe.

Not long ago you called that a conspiracy.

Your phrasing is, of course, meant to mislead people to think that the "repression" being talked about is repression of the people rather than the consolidation of political support in the military to prevent a right-wing coup.

Right lets just ignore the entire article and how Chavez went for Castro the moment he realized his popularity was not enough to keep power.

They knew well ahead that "democracy" was only to be allowed as long as they voted for Chavez, the moment they voted for someone else democracy was to be abandoned and it did when they lost the 2015 elections. They (the military) sided with the regime over the Constitutional order.

Cuba just wants their oil, its pretty fucking rich for people who support Cuba to cry about US interventionism over oil.

n short: I have been to Cuba. You haven't. To me, it's a real thing. To you, it's a tool for your agenda. So forgive me that I am tiring of being brought into Cuba-bashing conversations, particularly ones that use not-so-breaking news stories as transparent vessels for histrionics about how Cuba is somehow the cancer of Latin America.

You dont even speak Spanish so spare me the whole "i lived like a regular Cuban and thus i can say they live OK".

I actually know Cubans who lived during the special period, its all a sham.

 

[Trotsky]

Not long ago you called that a conspiracy.



Right lets just ignore the entire article and how Chavez went for Castro the moment he realized his popularity was not enough to keep power.

They knew well ahead that "democracy" was only to be allowed as long as they voted for Chavez, the moment they voted for someone else democracy was to be abandoned and it did when they lost the 2015 elections. They (the military) sided with the regime over the Constitutional order.

Cuba just wants their oil, its pretty fucking rich for people who support Cuba to cry about US interventionism over oil.



You dont even speak Spanish so spare me the whole "i lived like a regular Cuban and thus i can say they live OK".

I actually know Cubans who lived during the special period, its all a sham.

WHOA, you actually know someone who was alive 20 years ago? And that lived during a period of food shortage in which not only did no one die but public health actually significantly improved?

Oh, dear, please do spare me the gory details. My delicate stomach can only take so much. Maybe warm me up first with some stories of millions being malnourished and tens of thousands being murdered each year in Mexico.

Also, uhhh, I do speak Spanish. Not exceedingly well, but I do get by.

 

[Rational Poster]

WHOA, you actually know someone who was alive 20 years ago? And that lived during a period of food shortage in which not only did no one die but public health actually significantly improved?

Oh, dear, please do spare me the gory details. My delicate stomach can only take so much. Maybe warm me up first with some stories of millions being malnourished and tens of thousands being murdered each year in Mexico.

Also, uhhh, I do speak Spanish. Not exceedingly well, but I do get by.

From what I understand you can make more money in a single day as a black market taxi driver than a doctor earns in a month in Cuba. Basically everyone has two jobs, one state mandated that pays horrible and one black market job.. and growth in recent years has been fueled almost entirely by loosening restrictions on private business licenses and foreign tourism.

It's really not the beacon of socialism you're looking for.

 

[Trotsky]

From what I understand you can make more money in a single day as a black market taxi driver than a doctor earns in a month in Cuba. Basically everyone has two jobs, one state mandated that pays horrible and one black market job.. and growth in recent years has been fueled almost entirely by loosening restrictions on private business licenses and foreign tourism.

It's really not the beacon of socialism you're looking for.

You don't need to pitch to me what you understand. I know more about it than you do. But, yes, the dual economy that you're describing is correct.

 

[Rod1]

WHOA, you actually know someone who was alive 20 years ago? And that lived during a period of food shortage in which not only did no one die but public health actually significantly improved?

"Food scarcity is good because people are too fat anyway".

Oh, dear, please do spare me the gory details. My delicate stomach can only take so much. Maybe warm me up first with some stories of millions being malnourished and tens of thousands being murdered each year in Mexico.

Im pretty sure we are ahead of the US in terms of being fatasses, pretty weird to talk about malnourishment when we have an obesity epidemics.

Also since we are a "free" country, we actually allow the media, ONGs, opposition parties and universities to run their own studies without government intervention.

Also, uhhh, I do speak Spanish. Not exceedingly well, but I do get by.

Yes, im sure you could truly experience living with less than $30 dollars as month in Cuba with your broken spanish.

 

[Rod1]

You don't need to pitch to me what you understand. I know more about it than you do. But, yes, the dual economy that you're describing is correct.

Does it really sounds efficient to you? it seems to me like its a massive waste of talent and one of the reasons why you cant freely leave the country.

 

[Rod1]

Anyway i think we are straying from the actual point.

The point is that Maduro only stays in power because of the Cuban repressive apparatus scaring everyone shitless.

I cant recall who was the poster that argued me on the reason why despite the absolute economic collapse Maduro was still gifting oil for Cuba.

Was it @Possum Jenkins? i mean literally giving away free oil to stay in power.

 

[cincymma79]

 

[JamesRussler]

The problem with Cuba is they have never tried true Socialism

 

[Javelina]

Kap loves him some castro.


also, cuba has some women with some beautiful fat asses @SIRGAY HARITONOB!