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rener gracie on fighting multiple attackers
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For once i agree with most of the thing they said but i kinda chuckled when he said having some dude touching your girlfriend behind is not worth fighting lol. Its funny hearing that coming from a Gracie. Can you imagine some random guy touching Renzo's girlfriend behind in public lmao ..
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^ someone grabbing your GF's ass is sexual assault. if you watch some dude do that and don't do shit, you are not a man. sorry. sometimes you have to take an assbeating.
and people doing shit to your GF/wife and getting upset about it is not really your ego, it is someone abusing a person you love. i just go nuts. call me a ********* piece of shit all you want, no big deal. but fuck with someone i love and i will try to beat you into a living death.
one thing though, is people do not always have a reason to fight you. shit, you could be walking around baltimore and 4 guys will try to beat you up because of your color. you think you can reason with these people?
agree with keeping everyone in front of you and if shit is going to go down to strike first.
and people doing shit to your GF/wife and getting upset about it is not really your ego, it is someone abusing a person you love. i just go nuts. call me a ********* piece of shit all you want, no big deal. but fuck with someone i love and i will try to beat you into a living death.
one thing though, is people do not always have a reason to fight you. shit, you could be walking around baltimore and 4 guys will try to beat you up because of your color. you think you can reason with these people?
agree with keeping everyone in front of you and if shit is going to go down to strike first.
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I think Renzo lives by a different philosophy.
wow, that's not an overreaction...
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Well, it is literally an armed incursion onto another person's territory. Just because females typically have diplomatic grace doesn't mean its any less bad.
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So i can touch Renzo's gf ass no problem?? Great news!!!
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I can't imagine which gracie would have proverbially "turned the other cheek" at the slightest sign of a fight... Relson...?
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my advice:
1) learn what terms mean before discussing them
2) after you understand what a term means, you may discuss it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault
The term sexual assault is used, in public discourse, as a generic term that is defined as any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. This includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration), inappropriate touching, forced kissing, or the torture of the victim in a sexual manner.
but don't believe me. go out and in front of some cop go grab some random girl's ass (or maybe guy's, in your case) and see what happens.
edit: now, in 6th grade in between classes we grabbed all kinds of tits and asses and never got in trouble. lol. good old days.
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I enjoyed hearing Rener's take on this, but thought his use of the gf's butt analogy could've been much better. It is correct that touching a girl's ass without consent is a sexual battery (of the lowest degree, but still), and I think it warrants intervention.
One more thought: I'm willing to bet the guy in the video who got soccer kicked is perfectly fine. There are times when an ass whooping is ok, just not when you're instigating it. 99.9% of these situations are preventable, and I think that's what Rener's emphasizing. You don't get out of your car against three dudes. But if someone grabs your woman, well, that might be different. Just use your head and don't step into oncoming traffic to prove your manhood. If your safety is genuinely at risk, getting home safely is a victory. Real talk.
One more thought: I'm willing to bet the guy in the video who got soccer kicked is perfectly fine. There are times when an ass whooping is ok, just not when you're instigating it. 99.9% of these situations are preventable, and I think that's what Rener's emphasizing. You don't get out of your car against three dudes. But if someone grabs your woman, well, that might be different. Just use your head and don't step into oncoming traffic to prove your manhood. If your safety is genuinely at risk, getting home safely is a victory. Real talk.
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Pft, Relson is crazier than Renzo.
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As a cop if I see this I'm gonna A) let her BF get a few licks in and then B) take you to jail. If I'm off duty I'm gonna kick the crap out of someone, still arrest them and then let local PD take them to jail.
I know the legal definition. According to our legal system having sex with a drunk girl = "raping" her. The fact that these are technical legal terms doesn't stop it from being an overreaction.
The anglosphere in general is hysterical when it comes to human sexuality. Look no further than the nation-wide moral crisis we flew into over a boob being exposed at the superbowl. Our perception of sexuality and the insane bias we ascribe to our sense of morality toward sex indicates that people who make these laws have the sexual maturity of a six year old.
Haha, Relson is one of the ones who has a reputation for a lot of street fights. I remember seeing him tell a story about when he was younger, he even lost his temper to the point that he grabbed a knife and was ready to kill one of his cousins I believe. You can also watch UFC 3, he was ready to go at it with some of Kimo's corner.
Just watched Rener's video. I agree with the principles discussed, but I will die defending my family / GF or those close to me. Even if it is nonviolent acts like the sexual harassment he was talking about.
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I like how Rener and the Gracie clan keeps it real in terms of multiple attackers, that being because we all know that grappling isnt an alternative while fighting more than one guy and they are trying to say evade the lack of striking in the art, or becasue they really think so, which ever it is, I think they are right....
fighting multiple guys can be done, but more important than being a great MArtis (in which ever art you could be) its to have size on your side, if you are 6'4 250 ponds muscle head and you are fighting 3 5'7 170 pounds guys, you are going to have a good chance, now if you are fighting more than 1 guy and you are paired on size, unless the other guys are totally morons, you are getting your ass kick... I posted a russian show of 2 vs 2 mma guys last week, some "moralist" got their pussys all wet because how dangerous the show was...I posted because it came to my mind that whole myth about fighting multiple guys, there is a point on the show where the fight turns 2 vs 1, and what always happens is, if one of the guys fighting in team gets a hold of the single fighter, they are beating the shit out of him... it is just not realistic to say that you will keep the fight standing and you will use some mistic ninja shit to beat the shit out of the guys, if the other dudes want to take you down, you are going to go down... Also, to keep it real, if you do not have massive size on your side, no ammount of GJJ is going to save your ass on the ground, and the throw armbreak stuff isnt much realistic either, as son as you spin for the armbar,the other dude will tackle you donw....
Moral thing, size and some boxing skills are good to have on a multiple attackers scenario, toughness and crazyness too, you are screw though if one of the attackers has one working brain cell and instead of going chin up on the air trying to smash your face with his puffed out chest, goes for a td, you are fucking screwed.
fighting multiple guys can be done, but more important than being a great MArtis (in which ever art you could be) its to have size on your side, if you are 6'4 250 ponds muscle head and you are fighting 3 5'7 170 pounds guys, you are going to have a good chance, now if you are fighting more than 1 guy and you are paired on size, unless the other guys are totally morons, you are getting your ass kick... I posted a russian show of 2 vs 2 mma guys last week, some "moralist" got their pussys all wet because how dangerous the show was...I posted because it came to my mind that whole myth about fighting multiple guys, there is a point on the show where the fight turns 2 vs 1, and what always happens is, if one of the guys fighting in team gets a hold of the single fighter, they are beating the shit out of him... it is just not realistic to say that you will keep the fight standing and you will use some mistic ninja shit to beat the shit out of the guys, if the other dudes want to take you down, you are going to go down... Also, to keep it real, if you do not have massive size on your side, no ammount of GJJ is going to save your ass on the ground, and the throw armbreak stuff isnt much realistic either, as son as you spin for the armbar,the other dude will tackle you donw....
Moral thing, size and some boxing skills are good to have on a multiple attackers scenario, toughness and crazyness too, you are screw though if one of the attackers has one working brain cell and instead of going chin up on the air trying to smash your face with his puffed out chest, goes for a td, you are fucking screwed.
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troll, troll, troll, your boat gently down the stream, mary mary mary mary, life is but a dream
maybe you are from india where gangrape is allowed, but in america we value human life to at least a certain degree. we believe that a girl should be able to walk down the street without getting raped or groped.
but yeah, you can't even force a girl to have sex anymore without being brought up on charges (derp)
-sorry guy, no one gives a crap about your little diatribe there
So ... do you think that sober guys taking advantage of semi-conscious drunk chicks should be deemed acceptable?
There's a slight difference between being squeamish about victimless nudity, and not tolerating predatory sexual behavior.
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I've never understood the movie-based obsession with using martial arts to fight multiple attackers. In fact, I hear this so often it's become a joke. "How good is your jiu-jitsu if three dudes are kicking you in the head because you just choked out their homie?" People listen, if there was a martial art that enabled a 150 pound dude like me to beat up 3 people then I'd be fighting fucking crime. If I really was jumped by 3 attackers and I had no friends of my own to help, then the only attacks I'd try would be Muay Thai knees to the nuts, followed quickly by the Kalib Starnes fighting system.
