I have the Top King shinguards for muay thai (not the empower creativity ones, the black ones with trim). However, I found that they move around a lot despite what other people have experienced on this forum. I've been researching two new highly regarded shin guards by sherdoggers and elsewhere...how would you say Renegade Xtrainers (tricore padding) compares with Hayabusa "Pro" Shin/Instep guards with neoprene backing? Hayabusa shin guards: Hayabusa Pro Shin-Instep Guards - MMAWarehouse.com They seem to be similar build. I am curious which one you think offers better protection. Both have great reviews. The Hayabusas have 40+ 5 star reviews on mmawarehouse alone. I am a little concerned about both regarding protection and the potential for injuries - both to myself checking kicks and to my partner. I would like to think my shins are well conditioned. Which has better protection, which for stability?