Rematches aren't all bad...(in order)

[SeattleFightFan]

Everyone complains about the vast # of rematches. I'd suggest that almost each one is - in varying degrees - acceptable, but the # of rematches in the same small time frame has soured everyone. check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_small_decisions on how any one small decision can be perfectly fine, but in conjunction with a lot of other perfectly fine small decisions, lead to badness.

For example, I think BJ v Edgar II was fine. I was a close fight, and Maynard, frankly, had just recently disappointed everyone against Diaz (source for those who weren't paying attn a few years ago).

Whereas the 3rd LW rematch in a row was too damn much regardless of how controversial. even if Edgar and his fans thought it was unfair that his last 2 opponents got a 2nd chance.

and yes, i firmly believe that a rematch shouldn't be looked at as if it happened in a bubble; one must look at the whole picture, and if there are no other solid contenders an immediate rematch is more legit than if there are many contenders. all of these decisions are directly related to many other decisions, and one SHOULD take context into account. that is why i think Benson v Edgar II was ridiculous - being the 3rd LW title shot immed rematch in a row - and that the 3rd in a row caused most of the current backlash.

lastly, some think Weidman v A Silva is bs and others don't. this isn't a thread to debate that; there's plenty of those already.

So, of these fights, which ones are the most legit --> least legit, in your opinion? here's mine.

MOST LEGIT: Couture v Vitor III
Edgar v Maynard III
tie: Shogun v Machida, Edgar v BJ II
Randy v Rizzo
GSP v Hendricks
Silva v Weidman II
LEAST LEGIT: Edgar v Benson II​

i'm probably missing a few if so please add them where you must.

just curious where people are in these things. cheers.

 

[random nerd]

AS weidman is a joke since there was a KO.
Edgar maynard III was a result of a draw, perfectly acceptable.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

anyone else? thank you, random, for the...scant...response, but a response nonetheless.

 

[random nerd]

i only watch some of the events and i only started paying attention like 3 years ago.

 

[jungliquid]

Should he have put his day on hold to write you a paragraph Seattle?

 

[Mikeyz]

AS weidman is a joke since there was a KO.
Edgar maynard III was a result of a draw, perfectly acceptable.

Who was the guy that got KO again?

Yeah, that's why there is a rematch

 

[Kanster]

Most legit is Shogun/Machida IMO.

 

[ibrar faiz]

AS weidman is a joke since there was a KO.
Edgar maynard III was a result of a draw, perfectly acceptable.

i actually think as vs weidman 2 is the most legit of them all

you got a guy who was undefeated in the ufc for soooo long, played around in the cage, made people look like they hadnt trained a day in a year, and he played tooled and ktfo so many people in the most ridiculous ways


what he has to prove hes good enough for the belt again? he just defended it and is the GOAT and #1 p4p before that 1 fight

 

[ufcfan4]

I agree man that context is important. It's a lot easier to stomach Edgar vs. Penn II- where many thought Penn had done enough to retain but many also correctly thought Edgar exceeded expectations and did far better than other lightweights title contenders had recently done against Penn. rematch was needed to clear things up and really solidify one as top dog.

And yea no one wants to see one division with rematch after rematch.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Should he have put his day on hold to write you a paragraph Seattle?

well, i was kinda hoping if folks didn't like my listed order of good v bad rematches, they might do their own.

but i guess no one wants to.

so i'll shut up

 

[Nelly]

AA/Sylvia 3 was pretty dumb.

 

[Shwartz]

TS, why is Couture-Rizzo in the middle of your list?
Whenever people say about robberies and bad decisions I remember Couture-Rizzo 1 - even Randy looked surprised with the outcome. These words are thrown around a lot these days, but I think that fight had "the worst decision in UFC history". And if there was a fight crying for instant rematch, that was one.

And for your list: Lesnar-Mir 2. It was at once really legit - Mir was a clear no. 1 contender and the guy who gave Brock his first loss, but at the same time really strange - how the hell did Lesnar got the real title, and Mir, who has beaten Brock before, ended up as being mere interim champ?

 

[SeattleFightFan]

TS, why is Couture-Rizzo in the middle of your list?
Whenever people say about robberies and bad decisions I remember Couture-Rizzo 1 - even Randy looked surprised with the outcome. These words are thrown around a lot these days, but I think that fight had "the worst decision in UFC history". And if there was a fight crying for instant rematch, that was one.

And for your list: Lesnar-Mir 2. It was at once really legit - Mir was a clear no. 1 contender and the guy who gave Brock his first loss, but at the same time really strange - how the hell did Lesnar got the real title, and Mir, who has beaten Brock before, ended up as being mere interim champ?

Lesnar v Mir II was not an immediate rematch, so it's not pertinent to this list.

Couture v Rizzo II was less legit than Couture v Vito (IMO), but ya, it should probably be above Shogun v Machida, Edgar v BJ II.

 

[blkmike817]

Who was the guy that got KO again?

Yeah, that's why there is a rematch

Thank you for saying this.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

AA/Sylvia 3 was pretty dumb.

I honestly don't remember what surrounded this fight (why it was 4 months after II, why Vera didn't fight, etc.) and ya i completely forgot about it. i think they just wanted a definitive #1 after they split the first two, eh?

 

[TWAK]

Most legit is Sonnen vs Silva 2 or Edgar Maynard 3. Middle of the pack is JDS vs Cain - it was rushed, or would of been more epic. Worst has gotta be edgar vs bendo....the rematch made things even more confusing.

 

[afflicted]

I disagree with AS vs Weidman II being a joke because of the simple fact that its about Anderson we are talking about and that there is doubt about what would've happen without the showboat.

Frankie Edgar vs Bendo II being the least legit is border line outrageous......that was a much needed rematch since Edgar scored the most points and lost the nod.....and then....he went out and beat bendo again

 

[kaufman03]

most legit one is silva weidman.2
best fighter of ufc history gets koed while clowning

weidman is seen as paper champ
he couldnt get credit of being a champion

 

[Nelly]

I honestly don't remember what surrounded this fight (why it was 4 months after II, why Vera didn't fight, etc.) and ya i completely forgot about it. i think they just wanted a definitive #1 after they split the first two, eh?

I think Sylvia asked for the rubber match and they gave it to him. Vera didn't beat Mir yet so he wasn't an option so I guess there was no other contenders. But still after getting KO'd in the first round a rematch should not have been granted considering Sylvia had to fight several guys after getting subbed in the first by AA.

 

[rolex]

Most legit is Shogun/Machida IMO.

I'd agree