religion and evolution

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  1. akimbo187

    akimbo187 Green Belt

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    So I am pretty illiterate when it comes to biological sciences, etc. But I was watching one of Zakir Naik's videos on youtube, just now, and he makes a statement about why Darwin's concept is just theory and nothing more. But what I didn't understand was the part where he said that "iceman" wasn't related to neanderthal etc. Anyone know what he means? It comes from 19:45-24:00 of the video. I am not muslim, but I do sometimes watch zakir's (and many other people's) videos from time to time, as I get insights into different cultural thought processes.

     
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    Anyone who says that Darwin concept is jibber jabber is living in ignorance. It is literally the most beautifully succint and most empirically supported idea ever...it is astonishing. If anything it's one of the few scientific theories not requiring a healthy imagination or an ironic devotion to believe in.

    I don't know why religious folks would be threatened by the fossil record and biology unless they take the works of the great religions as a literal word for word translation -which is again ridiculous in that almost no one reads these texts in their native language
    , nor their original version, and absolutely no one reads them in the age and context they were written in -so the entymology of words isn't really even truly understood.

    So religious texts are big allegorical ideas written for uneducated Bedouin tribes. To think it has any relation to literal science is silly. And in no way does Darwin's ideas preclude a supreme being or creator or such.
     
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    great post, but this thread won't end well. They never do
     
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    I myself love to study science and the great religions but to me they are completely opposite endeavors
     
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    I also love to study different religions and science at the same time. But my general question was that he quickly states that "neanderthals" and "icemen" weren't related, is this some scientific study that has been done?
     
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    How can't they not be related they are both homo.
     
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    First, you can be sure he hasn't done the study himself. Second he would need to define what iceman he is referring to... We have found lots of ancient bodies in the ice -some of which were cro-mag on some Neanderthals and some others -as to related,..Darwin's ideas don't make any statement that there is a lineage from one type to another -only that we came from a cOmmon ancestors -I think the uneducated, ignorant, and misinformed do not understand this -they also think Darwin's theory says we came from chips or monkeys -which it does not at all say this.

    This guy is probably referring to Otzi or one of the other famous ice men, who by the Otzi is closer related to Neadertals than you or I.
     
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    I don't think they have to be really. If the god exists or lets just say the universe.

    Is it that far fetched to think a creator would design creatures that could adapt and

    survive with minimal manipulation.

    Its like building anything reliable it could be modified and used for many years. Whether that be a gun, clothing, or if we go back far enough the wheel.

    What I said was really far-fetched but whatever
     
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    Of course evolution is "just a theory". Gravity is also "just a theory" as is heliocentricsm, electro-magnetism, and anything else that any scientist in the history of science has ever proposed, regardless of the evidence.
     
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    Didn't homosaipens and neanderthals interbreed?
     
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    Exactly nothing in science is absolute. That being said evolution is fact we have made animals evolve ourselves. Example being Dogs. It amazes me how people still act weird about evolution.
     
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    Nothing wrong with being religious and believing on evolution.

    Then again, the only religion that I sort of practice doesn't really subscribe to the idea of "god" so who knows.
     
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    People simply don't understand evolution. Most any nay-sayer that I ever hear, has a misconception of what it is and how it works. It's understandable that "man coming from monkeys" doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's the whole problem, people think that man came from monkeys, instead of understanding that a monkey is just your 1,000,000,000,000,000th cousin.
     
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    Exactly. I had a hard time understanding long term evolution for a long time until I watched some great documentaries explaining it.
     
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    That's why I said "great religions" (as in size -not value) as in Islam, Judaism, Christianity, hinduism etc..... They tend to not be rooted or require the science or facts of the world as much as lifestyle and deity -as they are written to address conduct and duty and explain this in large allegorical methods.

    Plenty of other religions are more intertwined in the natural world and the sciences
     
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    Oh I got you now.
     
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    In many ways, the amount of indepedent differentiated evidence explaining evolution is much stronger than gravity.

    No kidding. Explaining gravity on the quantum level will make your head explode. It doesn't add up without again creating "ether" or a comoslogical constant -which is code for saying "we are reverting back to the explanations of years past because its easier for now to make our math work"
     
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    Yeah, Aramaic and Arabic look like a bunch of bugs to me, too.
     
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