Regarding to Conor vs. Nate (Fairly long)

[Platinum]

I strongly believe that McGregor is a way better fighter than Nate and way more promising skill wise.

Conor may not be a wizard on the ground yet, but nobody is automatically an elite especially when it comes to BJJ which takes years and years to learn. He has had many fights already starting at 19-years old but he isn't even close near to his full potential grappling wise (pretty obvious.)

I admit i had my bet on McGregor last time and i ended up losing potential 500$ because of him, but i am placing my future bet on McGregor again. Why?

- I believe that his gameplan was very stupid against Nate in the first fight. He was full of himself knowing that he had stopped most of his opponents at Featherweight including the long reigning king Jose Aldo. He thought that he would do the same thing to somebody with one of the best chins in the business / a lot more experience than him.

Nate has very good MMA boxing but he tends to put a lot of weight on his lead leg. This is a known fact. What Conor has to do is to attempt more leg kicks to take the mobility off of Nate's stand up. After that he can carefully pick his shots and win easily via decision but he has to keep his hands up and he has to avoid constant brawls. While i know that Nate is a lot better on the ground, i still believe that with stamina left in Conor's gas stank, he can easily avoid getting submitted. It is also a known fact that Conor did indeed gas in the first fight which resulted in him being helpless in the end. All the Conor haters keep talking that Nate is the better fighter all around but anybody who knows the facts better know that Conor's gas tank played a huge role in the outcome and this was due to the poor game plan and most likely the lack of enough cardio training.

I was right on Eddie beating RDA, Miocic beating Werdum, Chiesa beating Dariush etc. and i feel the exact same with my prediction with the upcoming rematch between Conor and Nate.

While i think that Nate is a good fighter i see him as a good fighter but never the best. I see Conor as somebody who has the potential to be the best.

#IBelieve

 

[MilesAbove]

False dichotomy for me. There were a few things that played into it.

Funny enough, I just watched the right again yesterday for no particular reason. And I was actually surprised how wel Nate had been doing the whole time. In my mind he was being beat up until the tide turned. But really it was back-and-forth in the first that was a 10-9 for Conor, and Nate just bleeds like a stuck pig.

Nate does get hit a LOT, but he's also a Diaz so I'm not sure what Conor can do other than just out-point him like almost anyone else that has beat a Diaz.

 

[plekz]

it's not that he's not a ''wizard'' it's that given the amount of time he's been pursuing bjj, he's shown that either

a: his coach sucks at teaching others said art

or

b: he struggles to implement the techniques he learns during a live situation.

and it's highly unlikely conor ever wins a decision against nate diaz, nor that he has cardio to even go the distance. and if he ends up on the ground with nate, he'll die there 10 out of 10 times. his guard is terrible, as evidenced by when a guy (who by comparasin is a mediocre bjj player) like mendes tore through his guard like he didn't even have one. and conor gassed due to a well placed knee, and a punch on the feet that made conor panic and as a result ended up gassing out.

oh, and conor will never be ''the best'' looking at how far he's come thus far, and the fact that you do not see huge growth differences in terms of how effective he is with his striking in grappling, it's highly unlikely he'll all of a sudden hit some sort of magical growth spurt this late into his career. in terms of competition level, he's not even a purple belt @ euro comp, looking at the time he's been grappling he should be a somewhat high brown.

 

[basementdweller]

TS, I agree with many points but I disagree on you on his cardio and beating Nate to a decision. Mcgregor's style tires him. he barely uses the guard and relies on his body movement to feint and strike. he always looks gassed already in the 2nd (against mendes, holloway, diaz) and I don't think picking his shots better will give him enough to endure 5 rounds.

Mcgregor absolutely needs to use leg kicks and pick his shots better to beat Nate. Nate will not try to take him down unfortunately. Without that threat, it's easier for Conor to pick him apart and win. But yeah his gameplan wasn't too good and he was completely caught off-guard (literally) once things stopped going his way. He'll never have Nate's endurance or will, but he is the much better striker with precision and power, and has all the tools to beat Nate.

 

[Platinum]

it's not that he's not a ''wizard'' it's that given the amount of time he's been pursuing bjj, he's shown that either

a: his coach sucks at teaching others said art

or

b: he struggles to implement the techniques he learns during a live situation.

and it's highly unlikely conor ever wins a decision against nate diaz, nor that he has cardio to even go the distance. and if he ends up on the ground with nate, he'll die there 10 out of 10 times. his guard is terrible, as evidenced by when a guy (who by comparasin is a mediocre bjj player) like mendes tore through his guard like he didn't even have one. and conor gassed due to a well placed knee, and a punch on the feet that made conor panic and as a result ended up gassing out.

oh, and conor will never be ''the best'' looking at how far he's come thus far, and the fact that you do not see huge growth differences in terms of how effective he is with his striking in grappling, it's highly unlikely he'll all of a sudden hit some sort of magical growth spurt this late into his career. in terms of competition level, he's not even a purple belt @ euro comp, looking at the time he's been grappling he should be a somewhat high brown.

I reckon that his teacher sucks

 

[Platinum]

didnt read lol

Nice one buddy

Hats off to you hero !

 

[Me&MrJones]

MMA fans knew Diaz was going to win.

 

[yookfarb]

MMA fans knew Diaz was going to win.

yeah that's why McGregor was a 4-1 favorite...

 

[Venom]

I strongly believe that McGregor is a way better fighter than Nate and way more promising skill wise.

I sincerely believe Conor is a more talented striker....and certainly striking is a big part of MMA. But it ends there. Nate is just too experienced from a young age in the clinch and ground than Conor.

Overall if we gave points for effectiveness in all facets of MMA, Nate is the BETTER fighter at this point.

Let's not act like Conor is still 22. He's nearly 28...Nate is 31. Primes or near primes of MMA careers and Conor won't catch up to Nate grappling wise even if his striking is a bit more effective.

 

[Platinum]

I sincerely believe Conor is a more talented striker....and certainly striking is a big part of MMA. But it ends there. Nate is just too experienced from a young age in the clinch and ground than Conor.

Overall if we gave points for effectiveness in all facets of MMA, Nate is the BETTER fighter at this point.

Let's not act like Conor is still 22. He's nearly 28...Nate is 31. Primes or near primes of MMA careers and Conor won't catch up to Nate grappling wise even if his striking is a bit more effective.

Nate is without a doubt more well rounded but i feel like a lot people give him an edge in the stand up, which is not true. His great chin is a very big part why he didn't go out in the first round where in my opinion Conor was a lot more effective

 

[Me&MrJones]

yeah that's why McGregor was a 4-1 favorite...

Diaz is better in the stand up and on the ground, casuals were happy Conor was still champion.

 

[Fincher7]

This is the fight that will chart the course for the rest of McGregor's career.

I can't give a prediction. I'm just pumped to see it.

 

[yookfarb]

Diaz is better in the stand up and on the ground, casuals were happy Conor was still champion.

Money never lies

 

[Venom]

Nate is without a doubt more well rounded but i feel like a lot people give him an edge in the stand up, which is not true. His great chin is a very big part why he didn't go out in the first round where in my opinion Conor was a lot more effective

Yes but I still think this rematch where both fighters will fine-tune their skills for the other will speak louder. Nate being barely warmed up and Conor having spent weeks on combos for Raphael.

 

[plekz]

He'll never have Nate's endurance or will, but he is the much better striker with precision and power, and has all the tools to beat Nate.

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nate's the better overall boxer, you could argue that conor is the overall better striker though when looking at all aspects. but in terms of just boxing technique nate's got him beat. and conor has never been about ''power'' he's all about precision, conors ''power'' is probably the biggest myth about his whole persona, he's just a very accurate striker. you also shouldn't downplay the diaz brothers power, they are volume punchers like conor, and while they often throw combinations that aren't 100% power, they like to lull their opponents to ''sleep'' with them, where they'll throw a few strikes with not alot behind them, and then switch up and throw a couple of real hard shots in there.

that's what happened to conor, he was acting like ''man this shit don't phase me'' until nate switched up and tossed a couple of real shots in there, but by the time conor realized he was already fucked.

 

[Thy]

size, cardio, skill, bad gameplan, and too much confidence/didn't respect his oponent enough thinking he was 100% gonna ko him early.

 

[Andy Anderson]

Regarding Conor vs. Nate (Fairly brief)

 

[rjmbrd]

People that think McTapsTwice is going to win a 5 round decision against Nate Diaz are picking the most unlikely outcome.

There is no version of Conor that will not run out of energy before Nate does. Getting into a war of attrition with a Diaz is about the dumbest possible game plan, especially if you are not a world class MMA adapted grappler.

McTapsTwice chance is to get a early KO. Going into deep water point fighting is a day dream. Even if you could magically make that happen, the dude folded like a cheap suit when he took a few clean punches. You can't fix that either.

 

[basementdweller]

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nate's the better overall boxer, you could argue that conor is the overall better striker though when looking at all aspects. but in terms of just boxing technique nate's got him beat. and conor has never been about ''power'' he's all about precision, conors ''power'' is probably the biggest myth about his whole persona, he's just a very accurate striker. you also shouldn't downplay the diaz brothers power, they are volume punchers like conor, and while they often throw combinations that aren't 100% power, they like to lull their opponents to ''sleep'' with them, where they'll throw a few strikes with not alot behind them, and then switch up and throw a couple of real hard shots in there.

that's what happened to conor, he was acting like ''man this shit don't phase me'' until nate switched up and tossed a couple of real shots in there, but by the time conor realized he was already fucked.

Nate is definitely the better boxer, but this being MMA I'm sure Conor has the advantage in striking. I also think Conor hits pretty goddamn hard for a FW... Nate's face was a bloody mess after rd1. his punches have a lot of 'pop'. I agree with everything else...

 

[hashback*]

People that think McTapsTwice is going to win a 5 round decision against Nate Diaz are picking the most unlikely outcome.

There is no version of Conor that will not run out of energy before Nate does. Getting into a war of attrition with a Diaz is about the dumbest possible game plan, especially if you are not a world class MMA adapted grappler.

McTapsTwice chance is to get a early KO. Going into deep water point fighting is a day dream. Even if you could magically make that happen, the dude folded like a cheap suit when he took a few clean punches. You can't fix that either.

I read mctapstwice and stopped reading your post. You are a silver belt bro I'm sure you can contribute to the thread without resorting to petty name calling.