Reebok deal vs Bellator. True answer?

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  1. Der Ulrich

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    Yeah it's going to be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Dana said they let Josh go, but Dana says a lot of shit that's BS, more like damage control imo.
     
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    Big Biz will win. That is, Bellator will get -some- mad fighters who jump ship - most, who the UFC can do without anyway.

    There will be no union.

    Reebok is the model going forward.
     
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    I'm sure that some fighters will make more money under Bellator. Probably guys somewhere in the middle. Maybe somewhere in the 10-20 range. The top guys and the lower guys will still probably do better for themselves being the UFC.
     
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    The reebok deal might prove to be the ufc's undoing.
     
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    They're not jumping ship, UFC doesn't want them on the roster anymore. Next best stop is Bellator
     
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    Zuffa/Station Casinos total assets are around 5 billion. (Estimate, private co)

    Viacom total assets about 24 billion (confirmed, public)

    Viacom will win any direct bidding wars with the UFC if they devote the resources. I mean shit, they could probably buy the UFC if the price is right. I'm pretty sure Zuffa knows 2015 is a make or break year. So far, 2015 has been great for them.
     
  8. Der Ulrich

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    Still, even if Viacom is that rich, it doesn't mean they are investing a lot in MMA/Bellator. Otherwise I think they would 'buy' more known fighters to their roster...
     
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    We have no idea what Josh asked for or how much Bellator offered.

    That being said, The UFC doesn't need Josh and didn't feel like he's worth what he was asking. While Josh could bring some name appeal to Bellator, so they may of found more value in that.

    Win for all sides.
     
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    I have stated that the Reebok deal is going to hurt the ufc more than help it time and time again . Unless the ufc start upping the fighter pay to counter the massive loss in sponsors (eg. Chad Mandes ) they will lose alot more fighters . Think bout this Alot of people think Fedor will sign with the ufc do people really think he will love $5000 from reebok or prefer the massive pay from bellator . People need to realise Bellator can easily match ufc dollar for dollar .
     
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    I doubt it's much to do with the Reebok deal, more that people like Thomson are more valuable to Bellator than they are to the UFC.

    The guy is has lost 5 of his last 7 fights, admittedly some by very close decisions, but it's not a good record to have. He does have name recognition however, from his time with Strikeforce and destroying Nate Diaz. For the UFC, it's not enough to justify paying out the arse to keep him if Bellator are willing to pay enough.
     
  13. Der Ulrich

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    Then why aren't they buying out bigger names and putting them on the roster? They could steal so many big name fighters and treat them like kings. I don't believe that Viacom is pushing enough money into MMA/Bellator to match every offer....
     
  14. Blackened

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    It's a shame they had to resort to bullshit prowrestling tactics and the hype machine to do it.

    They are burning the bitch. The product is great (fights), the marketing is aimed at children who want to look up to a super hero and matchmaking is done the way Dana said he'd never do (think boxing).

    Selling the soul of MMA. Bellator is no better. We need some shit from the Asian market. The old UFC we knew and loved is never coming back, but the current UFC might fuck themselves over long term.
     
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    They don't have to "buy" them for lots of money. They just waited until the UFC fucked up. All they gotta do for a top 10 LHW now is more than 50K, and a promise of a sponsorship greater than $5,000.

    UFC looks to be going away from the traditional model of "best fighters on the planet fight here' to, "most sellable fighters on the planet fight here" if they let the top guys go.
     
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    Somebody could have made $163,000 in a fight before the reebok deal. He made $85,000 instead. 85k is still a lot but just being ok with losing $78,000. I know I'd be thinking about that Viacom money.
     
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    MMA has been a joke since PRIDE died. The UFC is total crap.
     
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    Bellator/Viacom have to expand, no? They remind me of Strikeforce in the way that they concentrate their business in a couple of areas. With the resources that Viacom have surely putting on shows in other countries and cities should've been happening this year?
     
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    UFC pays them what it wants, if they lose money on the Reebok deal the UFC can pay you back room bonus
     
  20. megamidget

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    Intredasting. Wasn't aware Viacom was that big.


    This will ultimately be the make or break for this "Bellator vs UFC" thing. For now Bellator has the "b" product but it has enough money to have "a" grade product. The question is will Viacom want to give Coker some real money so he can leave a dent in Zuffa's pocket? IF Viacom continues to give Bellator money, theoretically Bellator can just outlast UFC simply because they have more of dem ded prezidents.
     

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