Records which are too good to be true

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  1. jtwarwagon4life

    jtwarwagon4life Green Belt

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    Have any fighters reported records you know to be downright spurious or at least very suspect? Submit it here.

    I should probably say off the bat that most of the reported records of nak muays are incorrect or at best educated guesses. However, some records are not only imprecise, but seem to have been cooked up with the intention of trying to falsely inflate their reputation by hoodwinking an uncritical fan-base.
     
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    Most Thai fighters' records are widely incorrect. You can find videos of fighters like Namsaknoi earlier in their careers, showing that they have a dozen defeats and 50-60 wins, but then by the time they are competing internationally most of those defeats are gone, while they wins balloon to 200-300.

    Same can be said about Dutch kick-boxers. Fighters like Andy Souwer claim that they have over 100 wins and just 2-3 defeats when they debut in K-1 but you cannot even verify half of those wins and sometimes you can find even more defeats in videos.
     
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    most of hometown fighters especially the ones from north and south america
     
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    Burklerk has the highest win ratio in his reported record doesn't he?
     
  5. jtwarwagon4life

    jtwarwagon4life Green Belt

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    Burklerk Pinsinchai's reported record seems very suspect. Supposedly it was 162 wins 8 losses. However, I have personally seen him lose 4 fights solely between like 1991 and 1993. Burklerk was already a stadium fighter in the early 1980's in addition to all the fights he would have had in countryside as a kid. So basically I'm supposed to believe that from the late 70's to early 90's he only lost 4 other fights out of 166. I'm calling bullshit on that.
     
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    What does that even mean? There is no central database which has all publicly available records of nak muay, so how are we supposed to compare? How many fights do you need to have to be considered? And what about guys who run up undefeated records in muay thai fighting at the lower levels?

    "Highest winning percentage" is the sort meaningless clickbait phrase which is used by people like Lawrence Kenshin to get views.
     
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    I've seen Dekkers' record anywhere from 186-35-2 to 186-18-2 (apparently by himself), which -- going of his Wikipedia record -- makes his undocumented record an astonishing, 142-0-1 with up to negative 17 losses.
     
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    Definitely. You can find 10 of the supposed mere 15 losses just on youtube.
     
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    Tadashi Sawamura

    232 wins 228 by KO
    5 losses
    4 draws

    Not only is his record fugazi so are the actual fights.
     
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    Promoters put way too much on the numbers in a fighters record. In general I’d say most are erroneous but even if you had a fighter with a ligit record of 36-0 it usually means he’s been fead a lot of cab drivers. Best way to judge a fighter is to look how he’s performed when he’s fought and the quality of his opposition.
     
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    Funnily enough, Robin van Roosmalen's record is the exact opposite. When I made his wiki page, I just put in as many fights as I could find. I intentionally left the total fights thing empty. If you look at his wiki page, you can see that some of the early fights are from when he was still a kid in 2014. Robin started training when he has really little and started fighting the moment he was allowed to. He had dozens of fights before the ones I could find. Then someone looked at the fights, counted his wins and his losses and made that his 'official' record on wiki. I even told them that made no sense, but alas.
     
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    W/R to Souter, this includes his “fights” as a youth as well (fully geared up sparring).
    A lot of fighters use these fights to boost their records. For instance Bulaid who has a 150+ fight record of which more than a 100 are youth fights.
     
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    Boxing but Vasyl Lomachenko's amateur record of 396-1 is supposed to be true. Which would be absolutely mental if true.
     
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    I think GGG had close to 400 amateur fights with as few as 5 losses. Shane Mosley was also plus 350 amateur fights. It’s not that uncommon in boxing, but it does make you wonder how these guys had anything left in them to pursue a pro career.
     
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    They do 3 or 4 rounds and have big tournaments. They can fight a lot of hobbyists or drunk guys who get paid to be punching bags. Its not like MT where most Thais will be fighting to provide for their family.
     
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    Even crazier is that the one guy who defeated him, he beat in the rematch and rubber match.

    Another incorrect record is Joanna Jedrzejczyk. Her wikipedia record states 27 wins, 3 losses - which is incorrect, as she lost to Valentina Shevchenko 3 times (although if these counted as pro bouts or not I'm not sure), Amanda Kelly and Duanpapa Mor. Ratana Bundit. So that's 5 documented losses, or 2 depending on if those Shev fights are counted a pro or not (although I suspect those are the three losses her wikipedia record is referencing).
     
  18. Vincentsky

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    Then you have guys like Simon Marcus and schilling who’s wiki records show wayyy fewer fights then they actually have
     

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