Reason why LHW looks so lackluster..

LHW feels lackluster because all of the old vets are starting to go downhill and theres no new real killers, lots of close decisions indeed.
 
Redhawks100 said:
How is it dragging on GSP to say that he needs 25 minutes to win a fight? It's a fact.
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you were implying that GSP isn't a dominant champ because he didn't finish, which is pretty much as far from the truth as possible, finish or no finish.

and you still haven't rebutted my argument about Aldo. Aldo's dominated FW (and had his fair bit of finishes and landslide wins) yet, FW is routinely referenced as stacked
 
ironfist05 said:
you were implying that GSP isn't a dominant champ because he didn't finish, which is pretty much as far from the truth as possible, finish or no finish.

and you still haven't rebutted my argument about Aldo. Aldo's dominated FW (and had his fair bit of finishes and landslide wins) yet, FW is routinely referenced as stacked
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He is dominant, just not as dominant due to his lack of finishing ability.

FW was a bit barren for a moment. It is now just picking up steam with Cub, Mendes, and Lamas coming up to bat.
 
Redhawks100 said:
He is dominant, just not as dominant due to his lack of finishing ability.

FW was a bit barren for a moment. It is now just picking up steam with Cub, Mendes, and Lamas coming up to bat.
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he's equally dominant, if not more dominant than any other current UFC champ, he makes his opponents look poor, like they never had a chance to begin with. Look as Koscheck, people were saying that he could have been the best wrestler in MMA, GSP made him look like a clown. People were saying that GSP would never be able to take down Alves, tat he would get lit up on the feet... Then he outstruck him easily and took him down at will. Diaz was going to outbox him, submit him and outcardio him, never happened.

FW's been good for a while. Aldo just finished the Zombie, according to your theory of finishing champs=weak divisions, FW Should be the weakest it's been in a while
 
ironfist05 said:
he's equally dominant, if not more dominant than any other current UFC champ, he makes his opponents look poor, like they never had a chance to begin with. Look as Koscheck, people were saying that he could have been the best wrestler in MMA, GSP made him look like a clown. People were saying that GSP would never be able to take down Alves, tat he would get lit up on the feet... Then he outstruck him easily and took him down at will. Diaz was going to outbox him, submit him and outcardio him, never happened.

FW's been good for a while. Aldo just finished the Zombie, according to your theory of finishing champs=weak divisions, FW Should be the weakest it's been in a while
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dont forget Condit was going KO GSP and be dangerous off his back
 
nintey said:
LHW feels lackluster because all of the old vets are starting to go downhill and theres no new real killers, lots of close decisions indeed.
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good analysis

There are some good fighters but would any of them hold a candle to a prime shogun for example? I very much doubt it and guys like Phil Davis aren't exactly setting the world on fire

Basically the old guard is being replaced by guys who simply aren't as enthralling. People who are kind of average and not really anything we haven't seen before
 
ironfist05 said:
he's equally dominant, if not more dominant than any other current UFC champ, he makes his opponents look poor, like they never had a chance to begin with. Look as Koscheck, people were saying that he could have been the best wrestler in MMA, GSP made him look like a clown. People were saying that GSP would never be able to take down Alves, tat he would get lit up on the feet... Then he outstruck him easily and took him down at will. Diaz was going to outbox him, submit him and outcardio him, never happened.

FW's been good for a while. Aldo just finished the Zombie, according to your theory of finishing champs=weak divisions, FW Should be the weakest it's been in a while
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Never heard that about Alves or Diaz. Diaz was handpicked by GSP and was a tailor made matchup for him, so that's just hilarious. GSP is dominant, but the fact that he can't finish any of his opponents certainly hurts his status as one of the most dominant.
 
TrailerParkBoy said:
so what? A win is a win and both guys win convincingly.

GSP also doesn't have a foot height and reach advantage over his opponents.
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Lol what?

GSP's reach = 76 in
Alves = 70 in
Shields = 72 in
Diaz = 76 in
Koscheck = 73 in
Hardy = 74 in
Penn = 70 in
Fitch = 74 in
 
Sickplicity said:
I don't know if anybody has been noticing the rapid decline of interest for the LHW, but one reason why I think the division is losing so much interest is because there has been a big lack of decisive wins / finishes lately among the top 10 of the division.

So far this year we've had:

Lyoto Machida vs. Dan Henderson.
Rashad Evans vs. Lil' Nog.
Phil Davis vs. Lyoto Machida.
Rashad Evans vs. Dan Henderson.

& just recently we've had the only interesting fight as of late in Glover vs. Ryan Bader.

The 4 aforementioned fights have all been lackluster fights in which all were controversial wins / losses, all those fights were some of the most heavily criticized fights this year.

Nobody has been trying to make a case / statement to prove they should be next in line for the title & it's saddening.

There hasn't been any new blood in the LHW division in a long time & it's sad because none of these so called prospects can penetrate the low tier fighters to earn a shot at the top 10 fighters & it's sad.

I hope the LHW division goes back to how it was back then when the belt was getting passed around like a slut at a college party but for now nobody is making a case for themselves in the division & as of now I've fully lost interest in the division.
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you just picked five fighters and pretended they were the whole top 10 and compeltley neglected to mention that jones has already mukred 2 of the 5 and the others are losing to guys jones already smashed. lhw is lackluster because jones looks like a worldbearter let him get even so much as dropped once and the division is exciting again
 
Redhawks100 said:
Never heard that about Alves or Diaz. Diaz was handpicked by GSP and was a tailor made matchup for him, so that's just hilarious. GSP is dominant, but the fact that he can't finish any of his opponents certainly hurts his status as one of the most dominant.
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Diaz was definately an undeserving contender, but a lot of people thought he still posed problems for GSP. people were saying that GSP would just take him down and avoid the subs, there was no way he was going to outbox Diaz. Then GSP boxed with him and made him look bad.

The pre-fight hype for Alves was also crazy (Kos, Alves and Parisyan all failed to take him down, and his striking looked scary).

Finishing has nothing to do with dominance, especially considering the fact that most of GSP's opponents are notoriously hard to finish
 
Redhawks100 said:
Lol what?

GSP's reach = 76 in
Alves = 70 in
Shields = 72 in
Diaz = 76 in
Koscheck = 73 in
Hardy = 74 in
Penn = 70 in
Fitch = 74 in
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So gsp averages a 2 - 3 inch reach advantage and jones averages a 10 inch reach advantage.... Interesting still reach isn't everything jones just uses his well
 
Redhawks100 said:
Lol what?

GSP's reach = 76 in
Alves = 70 in
Shields = 72 in
Diaz = 76 in
Koscheck = 73 in
Hardy = 74 in
Penn = 70 in
Fitch = 74 in
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only Penn, Alves and maybe Shields had oustanding reach disadvantages, and most of those guys were either bigger in muscle terms or taller
 
dropshot001 said:
A dominant champ makes divisions look weak. Lhw is suffering from this currently.
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This. You got a majority of veterans in the top 10 who have lost to the champ or eachother. The division is in serious need of some new blood. With the current top 10 situation Jones has about 3 fights left (Gustafsson, Texeira, and Davis) before rematches become the only option. Davis hasn't exactly made himself a fan favorite as of late. But the UFC LHW division is in desparate need of new blood.
 
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