Real Reason why Hillary Lost - (NOT because of Russia)- Was Because Her Campaign Was Too Intelligent

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Has anyone else ever been so good at something that they lost?

What about being too intelligent so you fail a test?

I am so used to winning at everything in life personally....was just needing some opinions on why you think you (personally) lose so much. ( @JDragon ....just kidding buddy)

The only thing I that remember losing happened at an early age. It was my virginity (lost it to a hot chick that was 2 years older than me) so it has been quite a while since I lost something.


Also would like opinions on the article.

Anyway...here is the article:


The hardest thing about explaining very close election defeats is that you can talk yourself into believing any number of factors, large or small, could have made the crucial difference. Hillary Clinton’s defeat came down to 100,000 votes in three states out of nearly 130 million cast nationally. That’s a deficit so tiny that the search for a single culprit will probably take political detectives down the dark road to madness.

It is understandable that within the ranks of the Clinton campaign’s own high command, it is an article of faith that FBI director James Comey cost HRC the presidency by making the ridiculous email-server issue the dominant subject of conversation during the crucial last days of the campaign. It was an external event that came out of the blue (or more specifically, out of the fevered libido of Anthony Weiner) and reinforced doubts about Clinton’s trustworthiness among a small group of undecided voters in key states.

But an equally plausible case can be made that the Clinton campaign itself was so convinced it could not lose that it missed the danger signs emanating from the three Clinton firewall states (Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) that eventually awarded Trump the presidency despite a 2 percent deficit in the national popular vote. Focusing on what happened in Michigan, Politico’s Edward-Isaac Dovere provides a wealth of anecdotal evidence of a national campaign that could not believe and thus did not pay attention to distress signals about “base” turnout and defections to Trump.

It is illuminating to compare Dovere’s piece to a September Politico articleby Shane Goldmacher in which Clinton campaign operatives celebrate the transcendent genius of its data-analytics arm, anchored in what worked for Barack Obama in 2012. Clinton analytics chief Elan Kriegel was the hero of the story, and readers came away with the impression that nothing could happen anywhere in the U.S. electorate without a Kriegel-developed algorithm instantly kicking in to adjust campaign resources and sustain the flight path to victory.


Unsurprisingly, as Dovere found, this all-knowing analytics system and the iron self-confidence it inspired made “Brooklyn” (Clinton’s national headquarters) largely impervious to feedback:


The anecdotes are different but the narrative is the same across battlegrounds, where Democratic operatives lament a one-size-fits-all approach drawn entirely from pre-selected data — operatives spit out “the model, the model,” as they complain about it — guiding [campaign manager Robby] Mook’s decisions on field, television, everything else.
Now the Clinton campaign was not unique in its reliance on a “model” for understanding election dynamics. One of the big trends since 2012 among political practitioners and observers alike has been the gradual displacement of random-sample polling with models of the electorate based on voter-registration files, supplemented by tracking polls of this fixed universe of voters. This approach tends to create a more static view of the electorate and its views, and probably builds in a bias for thinking of campaigns as mechanical devices for hitting numerical “targets” of communications with voters who are already in your column. You could see this new conventional wisdom (and the pseudoscientific certainty it bred) inpre-election models published by Bloomberg Politics and in an Election Day modeling experiment conducted by Slate. Having invested heavily in its own “model” for what it needed to do when and where, the Clinton campaign was naturally resistant to conflicting signals from the ignoramuses on the ground.

It is in that respect that just about everyone within and beyond the Clinton campaign erred in crediting it with a state-of-the-art “ground game” worth a point or two wherever it was deployed. Clinton had lots of field offices, to be sure. She had more money for get-out-the-vote operations. Team Clinton did much, much more targeted outreach to key voters in key states than did Team Trump. But in the end “Brooklyn’s” decisions were based on assumptions that had very little to do with actual developments on the “ground;” its hypersophisticated sensitivity to granular data about many millions of people made it fail to see and hear what was actually happening in the lead-up to the election.

For now it probably doesn’t matter whether it was James Comey or the campaign’s faulty self-confidence that cost Clinton the election. But when it comes time to build the next presidential general-election campaign, the people setting up the organization and paying the bills might want to rely a bit less on any system that values analytical omniscience at the expense of a willingness to change the game plan if there are signs that that is needed.

If, God forbid, I were running a future presidential campaign, the headquarters would be plastered with posters emblazoned with the title of the autobiography of the great, data-driven baseball manager Earl Weaver: “It’s What You Learn After You Know It All That Counts.”


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/clinton-campaign-may-have-been-too-smart-to-win.html

I guess too intellurgent means throwing money at ad campaigns instead of actually working.
 
The principle reasons she lost are as follows:

Didn't campaign aggressively enough in the Blue wall. Took them for granted.
Deplorables comment
Cole Miners out of work comment
The speech leak where she said she wanted open borders
Email server controversy
Pay to play Clinton foundation insinuations
Identity politics on steroids

I just realized I could make this list really long if i wanted to and still "intelligence" level of her campaign didn't even enter my mind. I mean most of the time she was just making fun of Trump and his supporters. That is fine and all but it's not a highly intelligent campaign strategy.
 
Clinton campaign plagued by bickering
By Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes - 04/12/17

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The following is an excerpt adapted from “Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign,” which will be released on April 18. Copyright © 2017 by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes. Published by Crown, an imprint of the Crown Publishing Group, a division of Penguin Random House, LLC.


‘We Got An Ass-Chewing’

Hillary was so mad she couldn’t think straight. She was supposed to be focused on the prep session for that night’s Univision debate in Miami, but a potent mix of exhaustion and exasperation bubbled up inside.

She’d been humiliated in the Michigan primary the night before, a loss that not only robbed her of a prime opportunity to put Bernie Sanders down for good but also exposed several of her weaknesses. How could she have been left so vulnerable? She knew — or at least she thought she did. The blame belonged to her campaign team, she believed, for failing to hone her message, energize important constituencies and take care of business in getting voters to the polls. And now, Jake Sullivan, her de facto chief strategist, was giving her lip about the last answer she’d delivered in the prep session.

“That’s not very good,” Sullivan corrected.

“Really?” Hillary snapped back.

The room fell silent.

“Why don’t you do it?”

The comment was pointed and sarcastic, but she meant it. So for the next 30 minutes, there he was, pretending to be Hillary while she critiqued his performance.

Every time the Yale lawyer and former high school debate champ opened his mouth, Hillary cut him off. “That isn’t very good,” she’d say. “You can do better.” Then she’d hammer him with a Bernie line.

It wasn’t just Sullivan in her crosshairs. She let everyone on her team have it that day. “We haven’t made our case,” she fumed. “We haven’t framed the choice. We haven’t done the politics.”

“She was visibly, unflinchingly pissed off at us as a group,” said one aide who was in the room for the humiliating scene. “And she let us know she felt that way.”

Hillary had been up into the wee hours the night before, agitating over her loss. This is because we made poor choices about where we traveled, she thought. She emailed Robby Mook to tell him she believed she’d spent too much time in the cities of Detroit and Flint and not enough in the working-class white suburbs around them. Sensing just how angry she was, Mook responded by putting together a morning conference call so that Hillary could vent. But that didn’t settle her; if anything, it left her more perplexed and angry, as her debate-prep team witnessed firsthand.

Her aides took the browbeating — one of several she delivered in person and on the phone that day — in silence. They had a lot of their own thoughts on what went wrong, some of which echoed Hillary’s assessment: her message was off for Michigan, and she had refused to go hard against trade; Mook had pinched pennies and failed to put organizers on the ground; the polling and analytics were a touch too rosy, meaning the campaign didn’t know Bernie was ahead; she had set up an ambiguous decisionmaking structure on the campaign; and she’d focused too heavily on black and brown voters at the expense of competing for the whites who had formed her base in 2008. The list went on and on.

The underlying truth — the one that many didn’t want to admit to themselves — was the person ultimately responsible for these decisions, the one whose name was on the ticket, hadn’t corrected these problems, all of which had been brought to her attention before primary day. She’d stuck with the plan, and it had cost her.

While the campaign projected a drama-free tenor, it was reminiscent of other moments of frustration.

Months earlier, Hillary Clinton turned her fury on her consultants and campaign aides, blaming them for a failure to focus the media on her platform.

In her ear the whole time, spurring her on to cast blame on others and never admit to anything, was her husband. Neither Clinton could accept the simple fact that Hillary had hamstrung her own campaign and dealt the most serious blow to her own presidential aspirations.

That state of denial would become more obvious than ever to her top aides and consultants during one conference call in the thick of the public discussion of her server. Joel Benenson, Mandy Grunwald, Jim Margolis, John Anzalone, John Podesta, Mook, Huma Abedin and Dan Schwerin were among the small coterie who huddled in Abedin’s mostly bare corner office overlooking the East River at the campaign’s Brooklyn headquarters. Hillary and Bill, who rarely visited, joined them by phone.

Hillary’s severe, controlled voice crackled through the line first. It carried the sound of a disappointed teacher or mother delivering a lecture before a whipping. That back end was left to Bill, who lashed out with abandon. Eyes cast downward, stomachs turning — both from the scare tactics and from their own revulsion at being chastised for Hillary’s failures — Hillary’s talented and accomplished team of professionals and loyalists simply took it. There was no arguing with Bill Clinton.

You haven’t buried this thing, the ruddy-cheeked former president rasped. You haven’t figured out how to get Hillary’s core message to the voters. This has been dragging on for months, he thundered, and nothing you’ve done has made a damn bit of difference. Voters want to hear about Hillary’s plans for the economy, and you’re not making that happen. Now, do your damn jobs.

“We got an ass-chewing,” one of the participants recalled months later.

Hillary came back on the line to close the lecture. It was hard to tell what was worse — getting hollered at by Bill or getting scolded by the stern and self-righteous Hillary. Neither was pleasant. You heard him, she admonished. “Get it straight.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/328405-clinton-campaign-plagued-by-bickering
 
Haha hooohahaha

Hoooooooheheahaha!!

We dodged one boys, phew. Could you imagine that thing as President?

The first woman President isn't a woman, but a thing.

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Has anyone else ever been so good at something that they lost?

What about being too intelligent so you fail a test?

I am so used to winning at everything in life personally....was just needing some opinions on why you think you (personally) lose so much. ( @JDragon ....just kidding buddy)

The only thing I that remember losing happened at an early age. It was my virginity (lost it to a hot chick that was 2 years older than me) so it has been quite a while since I lost something.


Also would like opinions on the article.

Anyway...here is the article:


The hardest thing about explaining very close election defeats is that you can talk yourself into believing any number of factors, large or small, could have made the crucial difference. Hillary Clinton’s defeat came down to 100,000 votes in three states out of nearly 130 million cast nationally. That’s a deficit so tiny that the search for a single culprit will probably take political detectives down the dark road to madness.

It is understandable that within the ranks of the Clinton campaign’s own high command, it is an article of faith that FBI director James Comey cost HRC the presidency by making the ridiculous email-server issue the dominant subject of conversation during the crucial last days of the campaign. It was an external event that came out of the blue (or more specifically, out of the fevered libido of Anthony Weiner) and reinforced doubts about Clinton’s trustworthiness among a small group of undecided voters in key states.

But an equally plausible case can be made that the Clinton campaign itself was so convinced it could not lose that it missed the danger signs emanating from the three Clinton firewall states (Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) that eventually awarded Trump the presidency despite a 2 percent deficit in the national popular vote. Focusing on what happened in Michigan, Politico’s Edward-Isaac Dovere provides a wealth of anecdotal evidence of a national campaign that could not believe and thus did not pay attention to distress signals about “base” turnout and defections to Trump.

It is illuminating to compare Dovere’s piece to a September Politico articleby Shane Goldmacher in which Clinton campaign operatives celebrate the transcendent genius of its data-analytics arm, anchored in what worked for Barack Obama in 2012. Clinton analytics chief Elan Kriegel was the hero of the story, and readers came away with the impression that nothing could happen anywhere in the U.S. electorate without a Kriegel-developed algorithm instantly kicking in to adjust campaign resources and sustain the flight path to victory.


Unsurprisingly, as Dovere found, this all-knowing analytics system and the iron self-confidence it inspired made “Brooklyn” (Clinton’s national headquarters) largely impervious to feedback:


The anecdotes are different but the narrative is the same across battlegrounds, where Democratic operatives lament a one-size-fits-all approach drawn entirely from pre-selected data — operatives spit out “the model, the model,” as they complain about it — guiding [campaign manager Robby] Mook’s decisions on field, television, everything else.
Now the Clinton campaign was not unique in its reliance on a “model” for understanding election dynamics. One of the big trends since 2012 among political practitioners and observers alike has been the gradual displacement of random-sample polling with models of the electorate based on voter-registration files, supplemented by tracking polls of this fixed universe of voters. This approach tends to create a more static view of the electorate and its views, and probably builds in a bias for thinking of campaigns as mechanical devices for hitting numerical “targets” of communications with voters who are already in your column. You could see this new conventional wisdom (and the pseudoscientific certainty it bred) inpre-election models published by Bloomberg Politics and in an Election Day modeling experiment conducted by Slate. Having invested heavily in its own “model” for what it needed to do when and where, the Clinton campaign was naturally resistant to conflicting signals from the ignoramuses on the ground.

It is in that respect that just about everyone within and beyond the Clinton campaign erred in crediting it with a state-of-the-art “ground game” worth a point or two wherever it was deployed. Clinton had lots of field offices, to be sure. She had more money for get-out-the-vote operations. Team Clinton did much, much more targeted outreach to key voters in key states than did Team Trump. But in the end “Brooklyn’s” decisions were based on assumptions that had very little to do with actual developments on the “ground;” its hypersophisticated sensitivity to granular data about many millions of people made it fail to see and hear what was actually happening in the lead-up to the election.

For now it probably doesn’t matter whether it was James Comey or the campaign’s faulty self-confidence that cost Clinton the election. But when it comes time to build the next presidential general-election campaign, the people setting up the organization and paying the bills might want to rely a bit less on any system that values analytical omniscience at the expense of a willingness to change the game plan if there are signs that that is needed.

If, God forbid, I were running a future presidential campaign, the headquarters would be plastered with posters emblazoned with the title of the autobiography of the great, data-driven baseball manager Earl Weaver: “It’s What You Learn After You Know It All That Counts.”


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/clinton-campaign-may-have-been-too-smart-to-win.html

Awesome post, bud!
 
She was a robot sent from the future to destroy humanity.
Trump is a human sent from the present to destroy humanity.

Humans > Robots
 
well, how intelligent can the model be if it doesn't approximate reality? then it's a false model.
 
Ol' Cacklin' Cankles doesn't appear to be much of a leader.
She is, however, a nasty schweinhund devoid of anything approaching a redeeming value.
 
This thread is proof that click-bait works and the War Room only reads titles.
 
Hillary giving an ass chewing.

Thanks for the image...

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Hilary lost for many reasons.

1. A decades long history of crony, shady, and downright illegal deals within and outside of government.
2. A Campaign that chose to lie in the cut, rather than challenge her opponent on anything but the most ancillary issues.
3. Hilary is a bargain basement politician, someone who can artfully strike out to pitches never thrown, and manage to make herself look stupid even when someone on her side throws her a softball
4. A Campaign stunning in it's lack of candor. The coal miner shit is a good example
5. A Campaign that banked on celebrity virtue signaling, rather than trying to actually earn the Obama votes she knew she would have.
6. A cult like mentality from her campaign, and the supporters of hers.
7. Speaking pedantically to, or more precisely at, American citizens.
8. Fronting like an Iron Lady, then playing the woman card anytime someone calls her on her bullshit
9. Pathological lying on a gigantic scale.
10. Standing up for certain groups (gays, women) within America, whilst taking money and support from people who murder the types of people she supposedly supports abroad.

There are more, but these are the most glaring.
 
Clinton was a very unpopular candidate through both Bush/Clinton fatigue, and moments of being a real jackal which lead many (correctly) to believe she is much more a wolf in sheep's clothing than she would have you believe. She ran a very polished campaign in terms of production values and such, but anyone that says if you want to elect a political outsider or someone different vote for her because she fits the bill because.....she'd be the first female president ... ugh! That is too political and polished answers such that you feel like you're not dealing with a real person.

But at the end of the day, that is the beauty of our system. The ignoramuses that get catered to and get all emotional over who will become president will remain ignoramuses regardless who wins. And the successful, go getters will keep being successful go getters regardless who wins.

Some good points mixed with ignorant and reductionist points

1) Bush/Clinton fatigue had little to do with Clinton's loss. Clinton was unlikeable, untrustworthy, entitled and scripted. She was as establishment as they came and simply did not inspire people to get to the ballot box

2) Production values? Yeah I guess they were good but she was basically invisible during the campaign. Why was she invisible? See #1 and add she was quite sickly too.

3) It was the ignoramuses that stayed home. People that cared and at least had an interest got out and voted. People who voted for Trump were (rightly imo) concerned about jobs, security, immigration, healthcare, education and the economy. Trump had ideas that resonated in terms of common sense and the common good. He spoke clearly with plain simple language that people got and respected. He called a spade a spade and that's what the people were crying out for. It's just elitist to call these people ignoramuses and quite typical of many leftists today.
 
Hilary lost for many reasons.

1. A decades long history of crony, shady, and downright illegal deals within and outside of government.
2. A Campaign that chose to lie in the cut, rather than challenge her opponent on anything but the most ancillary issues.
3. Hilary is a bargain basement politician, someone who can artfully strike out to pitches never thrown, and manage to make herself look stupid even when someone on her side throws her a softball
4. A Campaign stunning in it's lack of candor. The coal miner shit is a good example
5. A Campaign that banked on celebrity virtue signaling, rather than trying to actually earn the Obama votes she knew she would have.
6. A cult like mentality from her campaign, and the supporters of hers.
7. Speaking pedantically to, or more precisely at, American citizens.
8. Fronting like an Iron Lady, then playing the woman card anytime someone calls her on her bullshit
9. Pathological lying on a gigantic scale.
10. Standing up for certain groups (gays, women) within America, whilst taking money and support from people who murder the types of people she supposedly supports abroad.

There are more, but these are the most glaring.
1. 8 years of a Democrat + the two-party system.

















2. Every other reason.
 
I thought it was simple:

People don't like being called deplorable.

Four years earlier, 47% of the population didn't like to be written off.

Conclusion: don't insult the voters when talking to/about them.
 
She made a lot of mistakes, but above all else, she was just plain lazy. Thought this shit was in the bag, and campaigned as such. Near the end, you'd think Obama was running for office. She didn't even care during the debates. "Go to my website, and find out", should not be answer to a live debate question.

Celebrity endorsements and having a vagina is not going to get the job done.
 
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