Reagan was a traitor, the deep state, Iran, the contras, PROMISE, and the first Indian casino.

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Lawsuit on stealing the software for PROMISE, the precursor to PRISM, and the surveillance state.
Danny Casolaro, begins investigating this, and stumbles into the Octopus.
This leads to investigating a triple murder on a Indian reservation in California.
These 3 people were murdered by a mob hitman, who was the security officer for the 1st major US Native American Casino.
Before this casino came to be, this tribe had signed contracts to allow the development of rail gun technology by top defense contractors on their reservation, and these contractors and CIA affiliates are involved in drug smuggling to arm the contras.
Danny Casolaro is then murdered, and the info for his book on the Octopus is stolen.

Ronald Reagan was president when the US Deep State AKA the Octopus came into power.

Discuss........
 
He also funded,trained and armed the religious extremists fighting in Afghanistan during the 80's who would later become and form terror groups.This is the root cause of today's terrorism and subsequent events like 9/11 and more terror attacks,failure on war on terror and unstable Middle East.
Nice legacy....
 
I don't know about that one but Reagan gave birth to the new political powers neoliberal and neoconservative.

Nether represent core values of their parties and have more in common then not in war, trade and wealth distribution.

Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Obama represent their elite Ivory league connections and believe in the overthrow of governments. Trump not very sure about his real position yet.
 
Blame Kissinger, Reagan was nothing more than a Hollyweird shill.
 
Reagan ruined America and it'll never recover from it at this rate.
 
Edison Carasio said:
Reagan ruined America and it'll never recover from it at this rate.
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Don't give him all the credit. We had guys like Herbert Hoover(sleazy, lying sack of shit in bed with banksters) and Harry Truman(turned the military into a for-profit private business).

But time is definitely not good to Reagan or Bush Sr. Those were not good guys, which explains why a piece of shit like Clinton could be so well liked after those cocksuckers.
 
Tropodan said:
The ruining of America happened in many fazes, the last being the massive spy program implemented under the Obama administration.
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What??? Obama surely is culpable but the umbrella really accelerated under Bush 2.

The problem with Obama is he helped ignite this hate fueled class war we've got going on. Maybe his intentions were good but we'll have to wait and see when the dust settles- who's on top in 10-20 years and who's paying Obama enough to buy $10m vacation homes.
 
Always disliked the guy. Even without the CT's he was a traitor by virtue of the '86 machine gun ban.
 
danny23 said:
He also funded,trained and armed the religious extremists fighting in Afghanistan during the 80's who would later become and form terror groups.This is the root cause of today's terrorism and subsequent events like 9/11 and more terror attacks,failure on war on terror and unstable Middle East.
Nice legacy....
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To be fair that was to fight the communist. Difficult to judge it from 2017. When in the 80's there was still a real chance of a war with the communists.
All things considered, the threat of Muslim extremism is nothing compared to the communists.
I would take fighting Muslim extremist terrorist over the communists any day of the week.
 
snakedafunky said:
To be fair that was to fight the communist. Difficult to judge it from 2017. When in the 80's there was still a real chance of a war with the communists.
All things considered, the threat of Muslim extremism is nothing compared to the communists.
I would take fighting Muslim extremist terrorist over the communists any day of the week.
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I don't want to become communist, as it is failed ideology, however I have a hard time understanding how we are currently any less corrupt, or centrally planned than the USSR was.
 
VivaRevolution said:
I don't want to become communist, as it is failed ideology, however I have a hard time understanding how we are currently any less corrupt, or centrally planned than the USSR was.
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Well, you are free to move around the country. And you can't be sent to the gulags in a mock trial.
So you the US is already much less corrupt or centrally planned than the USSR was.
And there are of course many more reasons.
 
snakedafunky said:
Well, you are free to move around the country. And you can't be sent to the gulags in a mock trial.
So you would the US is already much less corrupt or centrally planned than the USSR was.
And there are of course many more reasons.
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Mock trials like those performed under the espionage act?

Yes, their are certain aspects we are better at, like free movement, but there are aspects we are worse at, like the surveillance state.
 
You know the grassroots rightwing are very opposed to granting amnesting to illegal immigrants and want to seal the border but it was Reagan who granted the 1st amnesty.
 
Started a war on the working class. One of the worst presidents for sure.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Mock trials like those performed under the espionage act?

Yes, their are certain aspects we are better at, like free movement, but there are aspects we are worse at, like the surveillance state.
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You think the current US surveillance state is worse than the KGB or the Stasi?
I mean the Stasi is probably the most comparable because East Germany was the most advanced communist nation.
And the US today has nothing on them. They don't even play in the same league.

Even today the Chinese surveillance state is much worse compared to the US. Or North Korea.
 
snakedafunky said:
You think the current US surveillance state is worse than the KGB or the Stasi?
I mean the Stasi is probably the most comparable because East Germany was the most advanced communist nation.
And the US today has nothing on them. They don't even play in the same league.

Even today the Chinese surveillance state is much worse compared to the US. Or North Korea.
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It's actually the other way around. The strasi and kgb, were minor leagues compared to our current surveillance state.

If you are arguing that we use this power with more responsibility than they did, this maybe true, but considering lunch plans are considered classified, and whistleblowers are silenced, how would you know?
 
Tropodan said:
The ruining of America happened in many fazes, the last being the massive spy program implemented under the Obama administration.
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Are you talking about the massive spy program implemented under the Bush administration and then blaming Obama for it anyway?
 
VivaRevolution said:
It's actually the other way around. The strasi and kgb, were minor leagues compared to our current surveillance state.
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Hmm do you know much about the Stasi? I mean the extent of the surveillance state?
It is considered the greatest surveillance apparatus in history. Even the GESTAPO can't compete with them.
The Stasi had like one informer for all 7 citizens.

If they would be around today. Nothing would get past them.
Imagine what they would know about you now with technical advancement.
They almost knew everything about everyone without technology.
 
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