Rather see Brock vs Werdum!

[ConditFan]

Werdum has bad tdd and wouldn't stop the td. Can Brock dominate in the guard or half-guard of hw jui jitsu elite?!?

 

[ConditFan]

Bump

 

[Dirge]

Not sure if serious? Mir submitted Lesnar easily and the second time they fought was working a sub when the ref inexplicably stood them up, favoring Brock.

Werdum would go through Brock in 2 minutes flat. Great standup and the best sub game at heavyweight? Where does Brock win that one...

 

[ConditFan]

Not sure if serious? Mir submitted Lesnar easily and the second time they fought was working a sub when the ref inexplicably stood them up, favoring Brock.

Werdum would go through Brock in 2 minutes flat. Great standup and the best sub game at heavyweight? Where does Brock win that one...

Brock flattened Mir out on the ground in half guard and landed huge punches from there. I'll like to see if he could do that to werdum. Werdum isn't known for leglocks and it would be difficult to triangle a man brock's size.

Werdum would be the favorite but it's the ground game that interests me

 

[Mixfight]

Brock flattened Mir out on the ground in half guard and landed huge punches from there. I'll like to see if he could do that to werdum. Werdum isn't known for leglocks and it would be difficult to triangle a man brock's size.

Werdum would be the favorite but it's the ground game that interests me

Werdum is so much better than Mir on the ground. He would never get trapped like that.

 

[Dirge]

Brock flattened Mir out on the ground in half guard and landed huge punches from there. I'll like to see if he could do that to werdum. Werdum isn't known for leglocks and it would be difficult to triangle a man brock's size.

Werdum would be the favorite but it's the ground game that interests me

Werdum subbed Tom Erickson, a guy that was in the 300 pound range... He also submitted Overeem (who wasn't his current size but still 6'6). He subbed both Fedor and his brother, Big Nog and Cain... Brock has almost zero sub defense. Werdum outstruck guys that are far superior strikers to Brock so what does Brock do? Stand with Werdum? The guy KO'd Mark Hunt. Take him down and then be on the ground with a guy who has submitted most of the top 10 guys in the world?

 

[ConditFan]

Werdum subbed Tom Erickson, a guy that was in the 300 pound range... He also submitted Overeem (who wasn't his current size but still 6'6). He subbed both Fedor and his brother, Big Nog and Cain... Brock has almost zero sub defense. Werdum outstruck guys that are far superior strikers to Brock so what does Brock do? Stand with Werdum? The guy KO'd Mark Hunt. Take him down and then be on the ground with a guy who has submitted most of the top 10 guys in the world?

You're reaching in some of this. Tom erickson? Thats not relavent. Brock has almost no sub defense? Proof other than his first fight against mir?

The striking doesn't interest me. We know how that goes. And Werdum koed markhunt with the threat of the td ever present and on short notice. .

 

[Dirge]

You're reaching in some of this. Tom erickson? Thats not relavent. Brock has almost no sub defense? Proof other than his first fight against mir?

The striking doesn't interest me. We know how that goes. And Werdum koed markhunt with the threat of the td ever present and on short notice. .

Brock tapped to Mir at 1:30 of their first fight... Their second fight, he got rescued by the ref. The other fights he had, there was not a single sub attempt against him. So the two times someone tried to sub him, he got subbed in 90 seconds and the second time, the ref stood Mir up who was in the process of working for a sub.

Not sure who you are trying to defend here.

You said you weren't sure Werdum could sub a guy with a triangle the size of Brock, I provided an example of a guy Brock's size that Werdum submitted.

Brock is a wrestler at a collegiate level. He has never competed in catch wrestling or sub tournaments.

In the heavyweight division, there are only a couple of guys known for their subs, Struve, Big Nog, Mir, Barnett, and Werdum (and now Rothwell). As long as Lesnar is not fighting them, not much chance of seeing a sub attempt on him.

 

[ConditFan]

Brock tapped to Mir at 1:30 of their first fight... Their second fight, he got rescued by the ref. The other fights he had, there was not a single sub attempt against him. So the two times someone tried to sub him, he got subbed in 90 seconds and the second time, the ref stood Mir up who was in the process of working for a sub.

Not sure who you are trying to defend here.

You said you weren't sure Werdum could sub a guy with a triangle the size of Brock, I provided an example of a guy Brock's size that Werdum submitted.

Brock is a wrestler at a collegiate level. He has never competed in catch wrestling or sub tournaments.

In the heavyweight division, there are only a couple of guys known for their subs, Struve, Big Nog, Mir, Barnett, and Werdum (and now Rothwell). As long as Lesnar is not fighting them, not much chance of seeing a sub attempt on him.

I'm saying there's not a large enough sample for you to definitively say Brock has almost zero sub defense. You have one guy trying to sub him. Thats it.
Anyway, Brock is a good grappler. And no matter how you want to color it, he tkoed Mir on the ground from half guard.
Lesnar is stronger than Erickson and way more athletic. Physically yes werdum could tap him with a triangle but I feel it's unlikely. An armbar in much more reasonable

 

[Aerinqq]

Not that I have any doubt who would win the fight, but how many times have Werdum shot for takedown in like...recent 5 years? Ppl have this strange idea that he takes ppl down at will, which is nonsense...ye, he can submit his opponents but, but I havent seen him going for TD in a long time.