International Rand Paul Blocked $40 Billion Military Aid Package for Ukraine

[Rational Poster]

Fanfic is the idea that your superhero comedian is going to overcome a 10 to 1 military advantage with less advanced equipment than his adversary.

We are eating taxpayer money on an unwinnable scenario where only 30% of the aid we are sending is ending up where is supposed to. Allot of the weapons and aid we are sending are being sold and misappropriated. Somehow a situation is the weapons are ending up in Serbia and Kosovo.

We are wasting our resources on what we called 2 years ago the most corrupt government in Europe.

Here is a more updated map.

Who said anything about overcoming?

They just have to hold their ground and kill Russians like they've been doing this entire year.

There is no 10 to 1 advantage. Russia is not more technologically advanced than Ukraine.

Pure fan fiction.

That map is 2 months old. The routes leading into Kherson are being attacked by advanced American artillery as we speak.

 

[SandisLL]

Doesn't have advantage?
Alone these numbers of Uragan launchers before war ( officially declared ) Ukr vs Rus might be compared...
LOL...

+ crying about superavanced artillery is real fiction here....

+ sorry. ..Russia also does have huge advantage in Smerch and Thocka launchers numbers...
Self propelled guns number...
etc and etc....

 

[giusti825]

https://www.raamoprusland.nl/dossiers/defensie/2175-russia-s-military-grows-afraid-of-the-long-war
Russia's own experts seem a bit less optimistic

Dude....that whole article reads like propaganda. They barely stopped short of using the word evil....

Do you have any sources with a less extremely bias framing? Any sources from journalists actually in Ukraine?

 

[SandisLL]

2016
Uragan launchers.
Russia : 900
Belarus : 72
Ukraine : 70

 

[Rholk]

Dude....that whole article reads like propaganda. They barely stopped short of using the word evil....

Do you have any sources with a less extremely bias framing? Any sources from journalists actually in Ukraine?

You should try clicking on the underlined words, it'll take you to the source.

 

[giusti825]

Odessa is 150 miles away from Kherson.

LOOK AT A MAP.

Just got home and back on a real computer. Odessa is 90 miles from Kherson. (145km)

Thats not that far.

And here is a more updated map.

 

[Cid]

Have you guys taken a look at the map lately.....

A 10 to 1 military advantage with Russia having more advanced weaponry made this an all but foregone conclusion. Start getting your info from journalists in country rather than talking heads reading teleprompters.....

Advanced weaponry like the $40,000,000 SU-34 taken down by friendly fire last week?
Their cutting edge Urugan MRLS which can't hit a football field at 30k?
Their best mobile howitzer the Coalition-SV which by all accounts hasn't seen action. Only howitzer "capable" of MRSI and you're not deploying it?
Their million dollar anti ship missiles they repurpose to attack shopping malls?

Russia has some advanced weaponry. Ukraine has smart munitions in an artillery war though. You've seen the footage of SMArt 155/Bonus round artillery right? You've noticed the HIMARS striking at will?

The west is sending just enough weapons to stall this war, which you can see if you watch the map.

 

[Rational Poster]

Just got home and back on a real computer. Odessa is 90 miles from Kherson. (145km)

Thats not that far.

And here is a more updated map.

90 miles in a straight line... There isn't a straight line because of the ocean.

 

[Terry Noonan]

Rand Paul wants accountability for US tax dollars and people get upset. Lol.

 

[giusti825]

90 miles in a straight line... There isn't a straight line because of the ocean.

1. Even by car, its less than 150 miles.

2. The black sea isn't an ocean and navies have been around since before christ.

3. The distance is important not because of how quick it would be to drive there, but because of how easily forces can consolidate and coordinate over such a short distance.

 

[giusti825]

Rand Paul wants accountability for US tax dollars and people get upset. Lol.

Only 30% of the weapons and aid being sent to Ukraine are going where theyre supposed to.

 

[Rational Poster]

1. Even by car, its less than 150 miles.

2. The black sea isn't an ocean and navies have been around since before christ.

3. The distance is important not because of how quick it would be to drive there, but because of how easily forces can consolidate and coordinate over such a short distance.

Russian forces in the area could not even get through the suburbs outside Mykolaiv last time they tried it.

Navies exist, except Russia's flagship is already sunk and they can't get anywhere near Odessa for an amphibious assault.

This is is fan fiction.

 

[Rholk]

Only 30% of the weapons and aid being sent to Ukraine are going where theyre supposed to.

Not really tho, if you actually watched the report, thats a quote a single guy threw put there without any numbers to back it up.
It worked for CBS tho, they sure got alot of attention, but they have since retracted the story.

Ofcourse it still makes for a good story for the anti-Ukraine crowd.

 

[SandisLL]

Rand Paul wants accountability for US tax dollars and people get upset. Lol.

This is best accounability for US tax dollars frequently mentioned by crybabies ( ppl hoping that money will fall in their wallets from heaven and yelling on everyone ).....
+ lesser than 20 b had been used till today...

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I really had prefered if some reputards trumpists posting here had paid for ....utilisation of stuff U.S supplied to Ukr...
This might had been best outcome to punish each reputards trumpist's personal wallet....

Crybabies with parasites thinking might cry that for example Ukr had get produced in 1995 th missile....
WoW...
Really better if trumptards had paid! from their own pockets to utilize this....

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Interestingly why crybabies like you aren't going upset by peaked till heaven new and used weapons sales contracts?
Arent crying about billions from " bad europe " parasites will recieve and will have Jobs , salaries and money for taxman...

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Parasite classic attitude....

Maybe cry more because all trumptards are selfish parasites....

 

[Cole train]

Who said anything about overcoming?

They just have to hold their ground and kill Russians like they've been doing this entire year.

There is no 10 to 1 advantage. Russia is not more technologically advanced than Ukraine.

Pure fan fiction.

That map is 2 months old. The routes leading into Kherson are being attacked by advanced American artillery as we speak.

10 to 1 advantage is in artillery which is what was turning things to rus favor a while back.

was 15 to 1 before but HIMARS is knocking out rus arty quite effectively from what i heard so ukr has managed to stall the advance for now mostly.

 

[SandisLL]

Not really tho, if you actually watched the report, thats a quote a single guy threw put there without any numbers to back it up.
It worked for CBS tho, they sure got alot of attention, but they have since retracted the story.

Ofcourse it still makes for a good story for the anti-Ukraine crowd.

That's hybrid war done by Kremlin....
Well paid IMHO.

 

[SandisLL]

10 to 1 advantage is in artillery which is what was turning things to rus favor a while back.

was 15 to 1 before but HIMARS is knocking out rus arty quite effectively from what i heard so ukr has managed to stall the advance for now mostly.

.For Uragan launchers they does have more than 10 vs 1 advantage...

As of declared numbers in 2016...
Ukr had 70.
Belarus 72.
Russia 900.

900/70 = ~12,85/1.

 

[SandisLL]

Grad launchers marked aa Grad xxxx.
2012.

Russia ~ 2500.
Ukraine ~ 186.

 

[86'd]

We are eating taxpayer money on an unwinnable scenario where only 30% of the aid we are sending is ending up where is supposed to. Allot of the weapons and aid we are sending are being sold and misappropriated. Somehow a situation is the weapons are ending up in Serbia and Kosovo.

We are wasting our resources on what we called 2 years ago the most corrupt government in Europe.

Here is a more updated map.

What does that matter when we can always print more? We supply Ukraine with aid and funny money to further damage russias efforts.

Same thing we did with Afghanistan in the 80’s under Reagan.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

What does that matter when we can always print more? We supply Ukraine with aid and funny money to further damage russias efforts.

Same thing we did with Afghanistan in the 80’s under Reagan.

How did that eventually turn out, specifically late 90s and early 2000s?