Quick question about knees and elbows

[greatdara]

I am just fresh out of watching the Kimo - Royce Gracie fight, really interesting and educative, Royce continually reaching out for either the armbar or the triangle choke, Kimo continually powering out, even gaining Royce's back once but unable to gain the choke. Completely different flavor of fight from our now "enlighted" times. :-D
One other thing I noticed was that Kimo did not have any idea about using his knees or elbows in the clinch. Who was the pioneer in introducing knees and elbows strikes into MMA/UFC?
Thanks!

 

[greatdara]

Just as a follow up question, if gloves are taken out of the equation, how much hand striking will you see in a "real" fight?. After all, I remember even Mike Tyson fractured his fingers when he had a street fight with one of his sparring partners.

 

[Brockster]

Just as a follow up question, if gloves are taken out of the equation, how much hand striking will you see in a "real" fight?. After all, I remember even Mike Tyson fractured his fingers when he had a street fight with one of his sparring partners.

Rogan has spoken about it quite a bit.

 

[greatdara]

And a third follow up question. WHY is there not a bigger clamour to see TRUE Muay Thai fighters from Thailand inside the ring? :-D
I realize the primary market is USA, but UFC has done a GREAT job to become a global brand by now!

 

[greatdara]

Rogan has spoken about it quite a bit.

Thank you!

 

[Zefram Cochrane]

And a third follow up question. WHY is there not a bigger clamour to see TRUE Muay Thai fighters from Thailand inside the ring? :-D
I realize the primary market is USA, but UFC has done a GREAT job to become a global brand by now!

They prefer to go into the kickboxing circuit, it's closer to what they've trained for since they were children.

They also tend to be light and the lighter weight classes don't do too hot market-wise in the UFC.

 

[BC]

I am too young to speak on the older days in the 90's, but I believe Wanderlei Silva is definitely one of the pioneers of utilizing knees from the clinch.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

And a third follow up question. WHY is there not a bigger clamour to see TRUE Muay Thai fighters from Thailand inside the ring? :-D
I realize the primary market is USA, but UFC has done a GREAT job to become a global brand by now!

if you try both disciplines you will quickly learn how hard grappling is - in order to be successful in mma, one must dedicate themselves to grappling, sht isnt easy

 

[MacDuffle]

And a third follow up question. WHY is there not a bigger clamour to see TRUE Muay Thai fighters from Thailand inside the ring? :-D
I realize the primary market is USA, but UFC has done a GREAT job to become a global brand by now!

It's no stereotype to claim that the majority of USA-based MMA athletes come from wrestling backgrounds, since wrestling is represented far more in American education systems than striking or boxing

UK based athletes have a higher likelihood of coming from boxing bases, because boxing is well-represented in their education systems

Brazilian athletes have a high likelihood of coming from BJJ bases, due to its popularity

Russian fighters have Sambo well-represented

Thai fighters have Muay Thai well-represented


So when you see fighters compete on an international platform, strikers have to watch out for grapplers looking to neutralize them

Muay Thai guys have to contend with that threat, and so "True" Muay Thai veterans would have a hard time adjusting to grapplers and USA-majority rosters in the UFC

 

[MCS]

Pele's one of them. Marco Ruas is an older one (these 2 are for knees 'n elbows).

Padding on gloves reduces cuts and results in less hand brakes. Knuckles are sharp. The worst way a fight can end, imo, is due to a cut. But the real reason is bare knuckle isn't TV friendly.

The Thai fighting is a broader question. It's in their culture to start competing as children and have dozens or hundreds of fights before they're 20. They do this to get food. Poverty, and it's a big business there. Shady with gambling as well. John Wayne Parr used to live in Thailand and saw all this. If you're interested he talks about it on JRE.

 

[bufetadanacara]

Gary Goodridge was throwing elbows in '96

 

[dickcheney]

The problem with knees and elbows is that when they are too pointy a bitch ain't gonna get any respeck on the Internet

 

[mudrubble]

They should be allowed glass glued to their hand wraps like in Bloodsport. They'd have to have the canvas (and hand wraps) a deep shade of red, but it would be so cool.

Also weapons. As this game becomes more civilized we should consider what weapons can be safely introduced into the unified rules.

 

[the can]

But the real reason is bare knuckle isn't TV friendly.

yes, i'm sure it has nothing to do with john mccain, and the political influence he has.

 

[qw3rty]

Also weapons. As this game becomes more civilized we should consider what weapons can be safely introduced into the unified rules.

 

[MCS]

yes, i'm sure it has nothing to do with john mccain, and the political influence he has.

salty

 

[eiyuu]

I am just fresh out of watching the Kimo - Royce Gracie fight, really interesting and educative, Royce continually reaching out for either the armbar or the triangle choke, Kimo continually powering out, even gaining Royce's back once but unable to gain the choke. Completely different flavor of fight from our now "enlighted" times. :-D
One other thing I noticed was that Kimo did not have any idea about using his knees or elbows in the clinch. Who was the pioneer in introducing knees and elbows strikes into MMA/UFC?
Thanks!

Pat Smith vs Scott Morris UFC 2

Remco Pardoel vs Orlando Wiet UFC 2

Couldn't find gifs but I remember Orlando Wiet using knees against his opponent in the clinch in replays of his first fight of UFC 2.

 

[grimballer]

Rogan has spoken about it quite a bit.

once again rogan talks outta his ass.

punching bare knuckle does more damage

 

[greatdara]

Pat Smith vs Scott Morris UFC 2

Remco Pardoel vs Orlando Wiet UFC 2

Couldn't find gifs but I remember Orlando Wiet using knees against his opponent in the clinch in replays of his first fight of UFC 2.

Thanks everyone for the replies and thanks eiyuu for the gifs!

 

[the can]

salty

about what?