Questions with regards to Judo

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Benjawood, Aug 10, 2016.

  1. Benjawood

    Benjawood White Belt

    Jun 8, 2016
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    I am a 22 years old student who are strongly considering either Judo or Kyokushin Karate.

    However, i do have some questions, that i hope someone here can answer.

    1. How efficient is Judo in a self defense situation (Im a very skinny man, one of the reasons taking up martial arts is the ability to defend myself)
    2. I am doing bodybuilding 2 split routine at the moment and have been doing it for some time and considering that im around 60-62 kg, i would say i have decent enough strength (Benchpress: 65 kg, Squat 65 kg and Deadlift: 80 kg) How would it affect my Judo game and will i be able to continue to do bodybuilding, while im doing judo?
    3. I have read a lot about of how Judo is essentially the football version of MA, it takes its toll on your body and i had an surgery to my right meniscus and some irritation / pain at my: lower back, left shoulder and neck. None of them are obviously very serious, but would Judo mess me even more up?
    4. If Judo have a really deep learning curve and im 22 years old, wouldn´t it be wiser to take up Kyokushin instead? Of course, i am well aware of the fact that everything takes time, but i almost get the impression of that unless you have been practicing Judo from a very young age, you are not going to get real efficient it.
  2. whougonnacall

    whougonnacall Silver Belt

    Jun 13, 2009
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    1)highly efficent ...connect someone with concrete quickly and its a fightwinner esp if u follow with some stomps and kicks (no one said u cant add non judo techniques in a street fight) plus you do learn a lot if subs and basic ground fighting too
    2)cant see any problem there
    3) depends ....hardly any combat art u take up will leave u injury free to be fair
    4) cant say its been any steeper than any other art iv taken up
  3. Lamfadha

    Lamfadha Purple Belt

    Sep 27, 2015
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    New Zealand
    I have done Kyokushin and BJJ under a Judoka/BJJ Blackbelt and I would say Judo or any grappling if you are that small.

    Kyokushin is all about wading in taking hits and dishing them out in sparring and even though it does have self defence aspects to it like jab cross clinch knee combo's it relies on strength and power.

    Grappling though especially groundwork will be easier for you to implement with a strength disadvantage against a untrained dickhead than throwing punches in my opinion.
    You will of course still need to build strength but I think you will find success in grappling rather than Kyokushin.
    Kyokushin though will make you stand in the pocket trade and become mentally tough in terms of taking a hit which you will need to actually implement self defence.
  4. magick

    magick Green Belt

    Feb 1, 2013
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    1- I'd personally say that martial arts are useless in a self defense situation unless-

    a- You actually train it frequently with self defense in mind and go at it for realsies; none of the kata-esque things that you'll see people do while claiming "this is too dangerous to do for real".
    b- You train for competition and develop the ability to go for real. There's actually a very big difference between just learning a martial art for fun and learning it with the actual intent to use it in competition and be willing to win. I do judo with the former in mind, and that's why I'd never be willing to use judo in a self defense situation. I feel like I'm more liable to get myself hurt while attempting an Osoto Gari on someone.

    The competitive brown/black belts that I train with, on the other hand? I'm pretty sure they'll drive whoever they get their hands on through the ground.

    2- The stronger/more conditioned/fitter you are, the better. There's a reason why the elite judokas have great physiques.

    Weightlilfting and developing muscle mass also made me feel virtually invincible as far as injuries are concerned. The only injuries i've had in the last two years was a rolled ankle and a torn rib muscle. I'm convinced the torn rib muscle occurred because I didn't warm up more than anything.

    That being said... Judo will leave you with a bunch of bruises, torn nails on both feet and hand, and generally a lot of aching if you go at it with any real intensity.

    3- Do weightlifting and build muscle mass on all the important joints of the body.

    4- Define efficient.
  5. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

    Sep 4, 2008
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    Armbar, Iowa
    judo isn't for pussies. it's also not something just sitting on a shelf at the store waiting for someone to come saunter over and pick it up.

    judo is a lifestyle. judo is years, decades of blood, sweat, falling and pain. you will be injured. permanently.

    learning a martial art for self defense is stupid. it's a sales tactic to entice vulnerable people into signing contracts and hemorrhaging money when they don't know any better. there's no basis for comparison to the layperson, other than 'well, they're yelling and kicking in pajamas, and some of them have black belts.'

    if you want to learn Judo, start Judo. if you want to learn Karate, start Karate.

    If you want to learn self-defense: avoid high-crime areas, avoid trashy drunks, learn to de-escalate verbal confrontations, aim for the groin, and wear running shoes.

    martial arts is not a buffet. there's a difference between liking how something smells and tastes and being able to cook.
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  6. lol. I see this all the time. What are you supposed to do when you have to throw down in a life or death situation, call timeout and ask your attacker if he wouldn't mind you looking for some concrete?
  7. Bayonet

    Bayonet Blue Belt

    Apr 27, 2014
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    Just throw him wherever you are...
  8. whougonnacall

    whougonnacall Silver Belt

    Jun 13, 2009
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    Well unless you are fighting on a bouncy castle being thrown down hard will still hurt yes?
    And even if only tossed to the ground...stomps and kicks still hurt no?
    And if not those choking someone out or breaking their arm still works no?
  9. Russky

    Russky Green Belt

    Feb 11, 2014
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    I am 45, very skinny - 145lb, trained in judo/bjj for 4 years.
    1. I think for real self defense situation judo is the best skill. It gives you an ability to resolve the conflict without getting into jail.
    2. You are likely to get burned out if you do both weightlifting and judo. You might be able to do both if you are careful with workload.
    3. It depends on you and your partner. Judo mean PAIN. Injuries are not necessary part of the game unless you or your partner are fighting to win at all cost.
    4. If you like karate then do karate. Learning how to punch an unsuspecting opponent is way easier than learning how to throw and control. Getting proficient will take the same time imo.
  10. TehGwarch

    TehGwarch Purple Belt

    Jan 22, 2016
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    Martial arts was never for self defense, it was for fighting. Obviously to stay safe, avoid fighting without a weapon, until you cannot, then get dominated because you are weak. Pray you are never thrown in prison I guess. It should be easy, we're all guilty of breaking a law every day. lol

    Judo, among other things, is good for fighting empty handed. People today don't approve of fighting empty handed, well that says more about them and the current date than Judo.

    You're gonna get hurt, how bad depends on a lot of things including how accident prone you are. But a fighter wants to fight and accepts that he will be hurt. There's things you can do to minimize it, going light, being careful, avoiding knuckle heads, etc.

    I've had people tell me that throwing punches in a fight is bad because I'll break my hands. I reply with a smirk, "been there, done that, would do again". They tend to look a little horrified because the thing they fear is someone else's scar. So who do you listen to? The man with the scar or the man with the fear?

    The contrast between the horrified look and the knowing smirk says everything. Do you want to be horrified look man or knowing smirk man?

    Obviously do both.
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2016

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