Questions for guys that own Grapplers guide to sports nutrition

[WAREAGLE]

In the section where it shows the menu's for different weight classes and different goals, why does he have starchy carbs several times a day? I thought you had to eat those PWO? It seems like the High Carb weight loss and Muscle gain menu contradict the 10 habits. Can someone who follows the habits and owns the book plz explain this to me?

Preciate it.

 

[spiderguardman]

well usually it¨s like like "eat one potato" or something equalent. and really if u count the carbs from that it¨s not really much.

 

[WAREAGLE]

Yeah but the 10 habits makes it clear that starchy carbs should be limited to PWO, the menu says different. It kind of contradicts on the concept of carb-timing. It just confuses me a little.

 

[MikeMartial]

Yeah but the 10 habits makes it clear that starchy carbs should be limited to PWO, the menu says different. It kind of contradicts on the concept of carb-timing. It just confuses me a little.

Precision Nutriton (and Berardi's 10 Habits) is excellent for anyone to follow, yet while he doesn't come right out and say it, it's a bit geared towards body composition. The menus in Grappler's Guide are aimed at competitive athletes who may be working out twice a day, at the least; glycogen replacement is more of an issue than body comp.

Take the menus titles with a grain of salt, so to speak; the best thing is to figure out how carb tolerant you are.

 

[WAREAGLE]

Thats kind of what I figured, but im only in my third week of 90% adherence. I have no problem with eating fruit and veggies all day without the starchy carbs until after I work out. I think endomorph's generally have low carb tolerance.

 

[GJJNY]

Precision Nutriton (and Berardi's 10 Habits) is excellent for anyone to follow, yet while he doesn't come right out and say it, it's a bit geared towards body composition. The menus in Grappler's Guide are aimed at competitive athletes who may be working out twice a day, at the least; glycogen replacement is more of an issue than body comp.

Take the menus titles with a grain of salt, so to speak; the best thing is to figure out how carb tolerant you are.

This brings up an interesting point; Berardi undoubtably knows his stuff, but I think there needs to be a clear distinction between the goals of a combat athlete and a professional bodybuilder. Lets face it, as concerned as we are wih our body composition, bodybuilders are 10x worse. I think that is who Berardi is really targeting with a lot of his rules. That's a world where .5% bodyfat means winning and losing. Combat athlete's are also interested in staying in fighting shape year round, not at all similar to the bodybuilder who packs on 30 pounds of fat in the off season and then works like mad to get rid of it.

The Grappler's Guide is more realistic for the goals I, and a lot of others here are after, but I also tend to think that even if the average guy at my academy followed it to 75% compliance he/she would see tremendous results. The point of this rant is that the knowledge these books lend us is tremondous, but you also have to assess what is realistic for what you want to achive and that if you eat a sandwhich with some whole wheat bread your meal plan for the day probably isn't at all compromised.

 

[johnsic]

Yeah I found those sample mealplans lacking.

1) They had 2 shakes per day even though he said in the text that they should be last resort and you should eat whole foods.

2) Starches even on non PWO meals like you said. It seems like someone else made those...

 

[johnsic]

Ive gone to a direction where I eat like this.

breakfast is oatmeal in milk + forzen berries
lunch, dinner is chicken, cottage cheese and big salad (spinach, tomatoes, fruits etc.)
training is at evening (pow shake)
PWO dinner is chicken, cottage cheese, small salad, whole wheat pasta and chocolate milk

Im doing some changes now and plan on eating like this in the future.

breakfast #1 small whey shake instantly when i wake up. then morning ritual.
breakfast #2 is oatmeal in milk + forzen berries
lunch is home made muscle milk - whey, casein, coconut oil, glucosamine
dinner is chicken, cottage cheese and big salad (spinach, tomatoes, fruits etc.)
training is at evening (one shake during training, another immediatly after)
PWO dinner is chicken, small salad, whole wheat pasta and chocolate milk

 

[GJJNY]

Ive gone to a direction where I eat like this.

breakfast is oatmeal in milk + forzen berries
lunch, dinner is chicken, cottage cheese and big salad (spinach, tomatoes, fruits etc.)
training is at evening (pow shake)
PWO dinner is chicken, cottage cheese, small salad, whole wheat pasta and chocolate milk

Im doing some changes now and plan on eating like this in the future.

breakfast #1 small whey shake instantly when i wake up. then morning ritual.
breakfast #2 is oatmeal in milk + forzen berries
lunch is home made muscle milk - whey, casein, coconut oil, glucosamine
dinner is chicken, cottage cheese and big salad (spinach, tomatoes, fruits etc.)
training is at evening (one shake during training, another immediatly after)
PWO dinner is chicken, small salad, whole wheat pasta and chocolate milk

What's the caloric intake on that? It doesn't look like you're eating very much.

 

[johnsic]

I forgot to mention that I put some olive oil in my salads. And lunch and dinner are two different meals. My diet is not optimal yet. I lack omega3:s for instance. I would eat tuna on one meal but I dont like it so probably will buy some capsules instead.

My caloric intake is something like 2000kcal + calories from veggies, berries and fruits. Im something like -200-300kcal nowdays. Ive lost visible amount of fat and kept my weight around the same.