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You may have missed the word "viable."
I will never need an excuse to post that photo.
You may have missed the word "viable."
That's part of the reason for the thread. What are some key points I'm missing?
We have all seen how socialism and communism work, capitalism is not perfect, but is far better than any alternative.
lol This lasted for like a day before falling apart
lol This lasted for like a day before falling apart
What about the associations for professional golfers and tennis players? Would they be comparable? All three are usually individual sports.Well, I think one key thing people on here are conflating are regular unions vs. sports league unions. They are both unions, but it is best to analogize with sports unions like NFL, NBA, MLB. In each of those leagues, I don't know any argument that says they haven't helped the athlete immensely. Salaries for the cream of the crop don't seem limited (the big argument I see is that the Conor McGregors won't get paid), yet the worst benchwarmer in the league still makes a very good salary (better than probably 95% of the UFC roster).
Don't argue about unions in general here. It seems like apples and oranges.
What about the associations for professional golfers and tennis players? Would they be comparable? All three are usually individual sports.
Why don't you enlighten the man since you seem to know so much?TS, the first thing you need to understand is the definition of a "union". Because I don't think you have a good grasp of what it actually is and how it works.
Yes those manufacturing plants pulled out because of unions. That is likely true. But - and this is very key - that's because unions force companies to pay more. So they went to where either the workers couldn't unionize because some idiot who hates unions made it a right to work state which pays 1/2 or overseas because another idiot thought it was good to let our companies go anywhere they pay $2 a day. So now it's a perpetual race to the bottom for blue collar workers. And it's the unions fault because they should know better than trying to get workers higher wages.We can agree to disagree. I have seen what unions have done to our schools and manufacturing base in our country. Unions were useful when companies were abusing employees with long hours and unsafe work conditions. I saw my town, once a prosperous, thriving town, destroyed because every manufacturing plant pulled out due to taxes and unions. These jobs are now in India and China. Union's day has come and gone. I certainly appreciate differing views, this is my opinion.
True, but if those fighters were really about it they would not give up so easily, look at Leslie smith & Kajan Johnson. They practically gave up on their crusade which leads me to believe they were not about it in the first placeUFC will just cut anyone who unionizes or tries to form an association
Systems liek those those can only work in a fantasy setting, real life humans are too corrupt l, power hungry, egotistical, and selfish to ever make it workWe have all seen how socialism and communism work, capitalism is not perfect, but is far better than any alternative.
You dont know anybody who grew up in Russia...Hows the violence and inequality working out. Pretty sure there are more people in poverty in usa than russia. Tell this story to china in a few years. Take a trip to scandanavia where there is fairness and equality. The usa is self destructing and you still champion capitalism. I'm all for free enterprise but full blown capitalism is as bad as full blown communism. I'm pretty sure during the capitalist great depression people lined up for food. Mind blown.
I am fully willing, and already have admitted that unions are far from perfect and have been abused in certain circumstances. The WWEFC isn’t your town. It isn’t a company that can just pick up some new 3rd worlder to replace Kamaru Usman.We can agree to disagree. I have seen what unions have done to our schools and manufacturing base in our country. Unions were useful when companies were abusing employees with long hours and unsafe work conditions. I saw my town, once a prosperous, thriving town, destroyed because every manufacturing plant pulled out due to taxes and unions. These jobs are now in India and China. Union's day has come and gone. I certainly appreciate differing views, this is my opinion.