Question to Americans: Dana's BS vs other colleagues?

[Grijswaarde]

Just wondering from a European (or Dutch) perspective... our sports broadcasts seem to be more serious and true to the facts, probably because most of our sports used to be broadcasted by national stations under government control.

It is no secret that US television is in general way more over the top. American tv to us is like Japanese tv to you i guess..

I think we can all agree Zuffa, and especially Dana (but also Joe) can be really over the top with statements. Statements everyone knows are false, but are thrown around anyway.

So how is Zuffa doing in comparison to other sports in the US? Say like boxing? Or Basketball? Are those sports also full of semi-lies to promote it, or is it really a unique UFC-thing? Just wondering.. thanks!

 

[FeloniousMonk]

To be fair, the majority of this society is a puppet show

 

[Drake]

The only sports I watch regularly are MMA & American Football. So I can only compare those two & the UFC is much worse promotion/lies wise compared to the NFL. But they both are good at being annoying with unnecessary hype...


This thread also made me think of this video... :icon_lol:

 

[HaulParris]

The closest comparison would be to boxing commentary, and those commentators routinely shit all over the boxers on-air, in interviews, etc

Even in MMA, Rogan is way over the top and biased. Bas and Mauro may be annoying and hyperbolic, but they're not affraid to call bullshit

 

[Jeffie]

i'm belgian and i think it's an american thing

americans just love show, they don't care that much about truth, they care more about image

the wwe is the pinnacle of american sports entertainment, people actually (want to) believe that crap and consider it a sport

that's my outside look though and putting all americans in 1 basket, I'm sure im way off

 

[WrestlingNerd]

The closest comparison would be to boxing commentary, and those commentators routinely shit all over the boxers on-air, in interviews, etc

Even in MMA, Rogan is way over the top and biased. Bas and Mauro may be annoying and hyperbolic, but they're not affraid to call bullshit

Lol yeah they really call it how they see it. Joe rogan would never say a main event is gonna be a squash match but in boxing they routinely do.

 

[Grijswaarde]

i'm belgian and i think it's an american thing

americans just love show, they don't care that much about truth, they care more about image

the wwe is the pinnacle of american sports entertainment, people actually (want to) believe that crap and consider it a sport

that's my outside look though and putting all americans in 1 basket, I'm sure im way off

I guess we (Netherlands and Belgium) basically have the same approach to sports as far as our television stations go... at the same time, all the fun in my youth came from the US (child of the 80's).

 

[nostradumbass]

i'm belgian and i think it's an american thing

americans just love show, they don't care that much about truth, they care more about image

the wwe is the pinnacle of american sports entertainment, people actually (want to) believe that crap and consider it a sport

that's my outside look though and putting all americans in 1 basket, I'm sure im way off

There aren't very many adults who watch wwe. I mean I guess they exist, but it's mostly lower-class people and kids. For example, you aren't going to find a group of doctors who get together and watch summer slam.

 

[MMA]

i'm belgian and i think it's an american thing

americans just love show, they don't care that much about truth, they care more about image

the wwe is the pinnacle of american sports entertainment, people actually (want to) believe that crap and consider it a sport

that's my outside look though and putting all americans in 1 basket, I'm sure im way off

Yeah, you are. Belgium is a rad country, loved my time there, but it's a tiny little place. We are a humongous diverse country. There might be baskets you can put almost all Belgians in, but there's no basket big enough for us.


As to TS's question, you can't compare the UFC to other mainstream sports. They're not run by promoters competing with other promotions, they're not individual sports, they're not trying to sell pay-per-views.

Really though, you need to provide some kind of example of what you're talking about with these "BS statements everyone knows are false" for me to really understand what you're asking. It's a vague and ambiguous question at best as currently phrased.

 

[Grijswaarde]

Yeah, you are. Belgium is a rad country, loved my time there, but it's a tiny little place. We are a humongous diverse country. There might be baskets you can put almost all Belgians in, but there's no basket big enough for us.


As to TS's question, you can't compare the UFC to other mainstream sports. They're not run by promoters competing with other promotions, they're not individual sports, they're not trying to sell pay-per-views.

Really though, you need to provide some kind of example of what you're talking about with these "BS statements everyone knows are false" for me to really understand what you're asking. It's a vague and ambiguous question at best as currently phrased.

Hmmm... well for example about every month we have the biggest fight ever... about every month the P4P greatest fighter changes depending on who is fighting.. Dana stating that an angry Ronda Rousey is out of character... Joe stating Ronda is a once ever athlete... Dana stating Fedor (when he was in his prime and undefeated) is just an average fighter... stating that de Reebok money will go to the fighters etc. etc.

There are literally hundreds of them.

 

[MMA]

Hmmm... well for example about every month we have the biggest fight ever... about every month the P4P greatest fighter changes depending on who is fighting.. Dana stating that an angry Ronda Rousey is out of character... Joe stating Ronda is a once ever athlete... Dana stating Fedor (when he was in his prime and undefeated) is just an average fighter... stating that de Reebok money will go to the fighters etc. etc.

There are literally hundreds of them.

Oh ok. I thought you said lies. I guess you meant things you disagree with?

Semantics aside, the answer is no, it's not just a UFC thing.

 

[Grijswaarde]

Oh ok. I thought you said lies. I guess you meant things you disagree with?

Semantics aside, the answer is no, it's not just a UFC thing.

I see your point, lies might be the wrong word.. even though there must have been some during the years. For example the Dana vs GSP stories right now... one of them is lying and i'm pretty sure it's Dana. But then again.. can't be sure 100%.. agreed.

 

[Bowerman]

Oh ok. I thought you said lies. I guess you meant things you disagree with?

Semantics aside, the answer is no, it's not just a UFC thing.

It's semantics that get in the way of exposing the UFC's lies. Due to freedom of speech, they can say the most moronic statements on the planet and hide behind the line "Oh well that's my opinion".

It's a bit of a cop out.

 

[Blayt7hh]

the wwe is the pinnacle of american sports entertainment, people actually (want to) believe that crap and consider it a sport

What? No it is not

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Just wondering from a European (or Dutch) perspective... our sports broadcasts seem to be more serious and true to the facts, probably because most of our sports used to be broadcasted by national stations under government control.

It is no secret that US television is in general way more over the top. American tv to us is like Japanese tv to you i guess..

I think we can all agree Zuffa, and especially Dana (but also Joe) can be really over the top with statements. Statements everyone knows are false, but are thrown around anyway.

So how is Zuffa doing in comparison to other sports in the US? Say like boxing? Or Basketball? Are those sports also full of semi-lies to promote it, or is it really a unique UFC-thing? Just wondering.. thanks!

In other sports the news and information is disseminated by the journalists that cover the sport, Whereas in MMA, it's one source, and there is no real journalism. "MMA journalism" is just a regurgitation of what Dana says, facts or false exaggerations.

The main stream sports media and most of the public don't know a whole lot about the sport. They have a basic concept of what the rules are (some still jokingly ask if biting is allowed). They don't know it's history at all... and with most sports, history is usually very significant.

Boxing used to be a major sport in the U.S. But hasn't been for at least a generation or so. MMA has caught up to Boxing and is probably right above it.

It's definitely not a major sport, but people are just now starting to accept it as a sport that is here to stay, rather than some niche fad.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

The MMA media have been broken by Dana years ago, and just bends over for him.

The main stream sports media are charmed by Dana's irreverence. He's not like most sports league commissioners, team owners, or general managers. But they're unaware of the leverage disparity between the owners and athletes, and unjust treatment of the athlete.

Dana and the UFC are like a 15 year old boy who's been left home alone for the first time without parental supervision. They do/act as they like without any repercussions.

 

[kammfreudenstei]

There aren't very many adults who watch wwe. I mean I guess they exist, but it's mostly lower-class people and kids. For example, you aren't going to find a group of doctors who get together and watch summer slam.

Damn bro turnin and burnin dropping bombs.

 

[irishmac22]

That's an interesting question your posting. Your right the UFC is unique onto its self. The part that's fun for me is to watch how broadcasters on the Fox shows watch what they say. You will NEVER hear a single one of them going after anyone in the UFC like they go after people in other sports. Spy gate. Deflate gate. The investigations into spousal abuse and drugs. If someone has tested positive for PEDs they are suspended. Period. If someone breaks the substance abuse policy they are suspended. Period. Reporters are beating the bushes trying to find any dirt they can. UFC keeps everything tightly controlled. Including the "reporters". For the most part (other than Arial) people over at Fox are not asking anything about anybody being shady. If they do its not followed up on over the weeks and years like other sports. Interesting dynamic.

 

[thobra]

I guess the main difference is that most mainstream media don't care about what is going on in MMA, so Joe and Dana can say whatever they want, and Joe can be as stoned as he want. It is still perceived as cockfighting, so nobody cares.

As for the MMA journalists, they have to write what the UFC wants, or they will be excluded from press conferences, weigh ins etc. Didn't that happen to Sherdog for a couple of years? And after that they have been buying in to all the UFC hype (at least pretending to.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

i'm belgian and i think it's an american thing

americans just love show, they don't care that much about truth, they care more about image

the wwe is the pinnacle of american sports entertainment, people actually (want to) believe that crap and consider it a sport

that's my outside look though and putting all americans in 1 basket, I'm sure im way off

I think you nailed a good portion of Americans.