Question For Judo Guys By Drew Foster

No that IS Uchimata. It's Inoue showing his Tokuiwaza. The Kanji in the upper corner even reads "Uchimta technique"

There's no spring, so no Hane Goshi there.

waht do you mean by spring?
 
you know here I am talking about a sport in my second langauge for a sport that has mostly japanese terms :p
 
It's easy to confuse this "O Uchimata" with Hane Goshi but it's really not that similar.

O Uchimata attacks the inside of the far leg and involves a lot of hip, as seen in te Swain and Inoue clips.

There's Taka Uchimata, which goes straight up the middle.

And then there's Ko Uchimata which is in the first clip you posted.
 
you know here I am talking about a sport in my second langauge for a sport that has mostly japanese terms :p

I know. Friendly conversation. I understand my friend. I'm working on a spring post now.
 
waht do you mean by spring?

Hane Goshi means "spring hip throw". In englisdh spring can also mean, Bounce, fly upwards, rise up, etc.

Hane Goshi is not so much about whether or not your leg is bent or even where it's placed. (some would arguer with me on this).

Hane Goshi is about the principle or idea of using your bent leg as an extension of your hip and blasting it UPWARDS into your Uke's hip to launch them straight up into the air.

Here's a good clip of Hane Goshi.

Video Hirano ryosaku - Professeur, université, osaka, video, 2004 - Dailymotion Share Your Videos

It's in Japanese, but his hand motions show the "spring" I'm talking about.
 
There are realy only a handful of people that TRULY know how to do a good Hane Goshi and even fewer that can do it in competitn, and most of them have died already. I haven't seen a Hane Goshi in a high-level Judo competition as long as I've lived. It was very popular in the OLD days.
 
to quote a 6th Dan in Judo who's been around for ages:

In my opinion, no one who has ever seen hane-goshi being performed correctly could possibly struggle to recognizing it or confusing it with uchi-mata, as the throw is entirely different. Even in an uchi-mata performed as a hip throw, the action is quite different as the opponent is not really loaded on the hip in uchi-mata. Moreover, hane-goshi requires a hip rotation while the opponent is loaded on or being loaded on the hip, which is far more demanding in terms of keeping your balance, than uchi-mata is. At the most it may be closer to uchi-guruma (which in itself is a very rare throw, and not part of the official Kodokan syllabus), although uchi-guruma requires rotation into the opposite direction. Hane-goshi is often (though not always) entered already when still facing the opponent, as the momentum is greater and thus facilitates loading the opponent on your hip and continuing the hip rotation. Hane-goshi is a beautiful throw, but a difficult throw.I do not think I am splitting hairs at all. Now, if a person has never seen a proper hane-goshi, that is something different.

Suffice to say ... I have not seen a successful hane-goshi being performed in competition for many years now, but I have seen numerous successful uchi-mata. I could go a step further and say, that if I remember well, I have never ever seen a successful hane-goshi being pulled off in competition by any female. Who knows of any female hane-goshi specialist in the entire history of judo. I don't. I am not saying it has not been done, I am just saying I have not seen it and I see a reasonable number of high-level competitions.

Give me one example of judoist who became famous through hane-goshi ? You'll have a hard time, as it is a difficult throw. I know that when I teach a clinic, and hane-goshi is part of it, that it ain't going to be pretty, because virtually every participant will struggle. I have met very few people who know how to properly do the throw. Let's see ... the late Takata Katsuyoshi, the late Kawakami Chu, Hirano Ryosuke, and Theo Guldemont. I am not sure if you even knew any of these names, but why don't you give us the names of those 'you' know that are famous for their hane-goshi.
 
Super cool clip, his shiai uchi mata is completely different though lol, anyways where'dyou find that clip anyways

It was on YouTube Japan. A guy at JudoForum posted it.


I know his shiai is usually different, but I heard this is what he aims for. I think the Uchimata in your avatar is pretty close to this. A little more straight up the middle hough (Taka Uchimata). BTW, you got that as a pic or wallpaper I could use for my backgorund? Anything cool with UM, Harai Goshi, Or Osoto would be awesome!
 
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