Question about the Mitrione KO

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  1. GordaoPreguico

    GordaoPreguico Red Belt

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    I am not an expert or even a novice at striking so I won't pretend to be one. I have a question about the KO that happened to Matt Mitrione. Did the loss of his mouth piece earlier in the exchange have any impact? Does the mouth piece do anything more than just protect teeth? I saw Herb Dean multiple times act like he was going to pause the fight but he let it go on because they were still swinging at each other.
     
  2. ABC

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    if you are biting down on it, it can help disperse the impact over a larger area, however, if his mouth was open enough for him to lose it, then he probably wasn't biting down on it, so it wasn't doing him any good.
     
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    StevenTLS2007 Let's just do it and be legends

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    He got hit with an uppercut which is probably the worst punch to get hit with when you don't have a mouth piece in. It definitely makes the impact worse but with how hard Nelson hits it's hard to say if it would have made a difference.
     
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    It could, but Nelson hits hard enough I don't think it would have mattered. Matt didn't go out, looked more like he was in shock at how hard Roy hit him. Add to that the fact that Roy landed three good strikes in a row, only one of which was on the jaw and I don't think the mouth piece factors in. Wonder if Matt chipped any teeth from that uppercut...
     
  6. Winston Wolf

    Winston Wolf Problem solver

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    Losing your mouthpiece while exchanging with Big Country must be scary shit.
     
  7. aker2703

    aker2703 Banned Banned

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    i doubt it changed in any way the K.o, but if i was mitrione i would be pissed at herb dean as he had time on two occasions to stop the fight to allow the replacement of the mouth guard.

    now i know the fighters have health insurance so if his teeth were damaged it would not cost matt any money.but who wants their teeth knocked out because a ref fucked up.
     
  8. jackietreehorn8

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    I have no idea why Herb didn't jump in to give him his mouthpiece back...that shit was ridiculous. It's not safe to be fighting without a mouthpiece and the worst case scenario happened - an uppercut KO to a guy with no mouthpiece. In a day and age when concussions are all the rage, he had plenty of opportunity to pause the fight and give him his mouthpiece back.

    Now, I'm not saying one way or the other whether Mitrione would have been ko'd from that same shot - likely he would have - but we shouldn't have to be asking this question in the first place.
     
  9. RoryFan

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    Having a mouth piece in definitely affects your cardio, it's much more awkward to breathe in my experience.

    As for actually stopping a KO, I doubt it would have much effect.
     
  10. Workaholic

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    It did make a difference I'm sure but mitrione only has himself to blame as had he stepped back a second Herb definitely would have stopped it to give it back. Mouthguards reduce the impact on your entire head because your teeth clicking together feels like its rattling your brain. Especially on an uppercut...that would be a terrible punch to take.
     
  11. BrazilianDude

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    I honestly think Herb should have stopped it. We really could have seen some unnecessary flying tooth yesterday.
     
  12. quatin

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    They were squared up against each other. Matt needed to step back so Herb doesn't jump into a punch.
     
  13. IlFenomenoVero

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    Its really hard to breath with mouth piece, but had Herb Dean stopped the fight Matt Mitrione could've found way to make adjustments and take a breather.
     
  14. jackietreehorn8

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    No, it's not Meathead's fault or his responsibility, this is on Herb. Meathead needs to protect himself, if he steps back for a second and Herb still doesn't stop the fight, now he's out of fighting position and leaving himself vulnerable to some type of attack. We've seen this on low blows - guy wants to take a break, ref refuses to stop action then all of a sudden his opponent is in his face. Herb had opportunities to pause the fight.
     
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    sorry but this is wrong, there was at least two times where both fighters were out of striking range where herb could have stopped the fight to replace the mouth piece. i for the life of me can't understand why he didn't.

    so many rip on mazzagati or the crypt keeper, when herb dean seems to make just as many mistakes.
     
  16. Workaholic

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    Meathead never stopped exchanging the entire sequence and Herb was clearly looking for an opportunity to jump in but wasn't given one. He can't be expected to break up an exchange between heavyweights. If Meathead was that concerned about his mouth guard he would have circled out and given Herb time not continue to move forward.
     
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    Agreed. Herb should have made an effort if fighter safety is his priority, especially knowing what Nelson is capable of.

    Now it's obvious that Nelson has tremendous punching power and the outcome would probably have been the same. But I feel that Mitrione covered up and stopped fighting sooner than he might have if he had the mouthpiece in.
     
  18. jackietreehorn8

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    I'll give you that Meathead maybe could have done more to indicate he wanted his mouthpiece back, but ultimately this is still on Herb. It wasn't a constant exchange or flurry that he would have had to break up - yes they were squared up the whole time, but he could have safely gotten then to stop fighting, easily.
     
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    Agreed 100%. I was waiting for Mittrione to spit out some of his teeth after the KO. Don
     
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    I'll agree Herb should have done more to break up the fight it was poor reffing on his part. I just feel Meathead should get some of the blame as well. I like Meathead but its not like the mouthpiece was knocked out, he spat it out. If theres two things they teach you early in striking its keep your damn mouthguard in and if something is wrong circle out and start a New exchange on your terms. Mitrione did neither which leads me to think it didnt matter to him until he got hit lol
     

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