Q: If Fedor is the GOAT

[JoshR86]

The premise is that Fedor was the GOAT and his decline was due solely to age and wear and tear and nothing to do with the evolution of MMA.

In fact most Fedor GOAT advocates refuse to acknowledge any evolution in the sport and will happily educate you in that the pinnacle of the sport was in Pride.

So my question is:

If Fedor had the blue print why does everyone today practice wrestling and BJJ rather than Sambo and Judo?? And then how can you say the sport hasnt past him??

 

[abiG]

Jones would take him out in the first round... and that's prime vs. prime.

 

[wigglestick]

Styles make fights, theres no special #1 style. No one is unbeatable. But going 10 years undefeated as a Heavyweight and doing what Fedor did made him GOAT.

^^^^^^ Yes the guy afraid to fight HW would beat the HW goat in his prime

 

[Summoning]

The only thing that evolve in the last years of MMA is the Weight cut.

 

[Cantalope]

HW GOAT hands down. I'd pick GSP based on his resume as overall GOAT though.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Jones would take him out in the first round... and that's prime vs. prime.

Lmao

 

[george14]

Fedor was a small Heavyweight who was very well rounded. I would say on average the Heavyweights are better now, but the division has certainly not evolved at all. Guys like Hunt, Arlovski, Overeem are still factors in today's division and they have been KO'd a thousand times. It's a facade that people think the division is so much better today. Guys like Blaydes, Francis, Lesnar FFS......they are pretty basic fighters who happen to be very big.


Khabib practices Sambo and look where he is at. Fedor is 40 years old and he started to decline around 2008 because he abandoned his ground game. I think it was a pride thing (no pun intended) because he was just throwing bombs. He wasn't that old, but he has a ton of mileage on him. The guy has over 40 fights at Heavyweight along with Sambo fights too. His body broke down years ago in my opinion.

 

[20falarVerdades]

What are you talking about ... Fedor would still be champion @ today's HW division. Do you think that a wrestler like Blaydes has any chance against him ? Lol

 

[RiotWyatt]

The premise is that Fedor was the GOAT and his decline was due solely to age and wear and tear and nothing to do with the evolution of MMA.

In fact most Fedor GOAT advocates refuse to acknowledge any evolution in the sport and will happily educate you in that the pinnacle of the sport was in Pride.

So my question is:

If Fedor had the blue print why does everyone today practice wrestling and BJJ rather than Sambo and Judo?? And then how can you say the sport hasnt past him??

At HW, everyone practices wrestling and are decent at best. No one worth anything legitimately practices BJJ.

HW has devolved to one dimensional punchers where whoever has the slight wrestling advantage or lands the first good punch wins.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

you're working with the assumption that GOAT is defined as best prime ever.

many people - including boxing historians - don't define GOAT that way. they define it as the best within your era. then they define best in era across eras. that takes away the variable you describe, the evolution of the sport.

because that's what differentiates GOAT from current title holder.

and only one HW ever has dominated for longer than a year or two in their era.

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by the way, most of the time in these theoretical threads, definitions are much more interesting than opinions. TS and another sherdogger could debate GOAT until the fucking chickens come home, and never realize they were working with different assumption on what the definition of GOAT was in the first damn place. that makes their difference of opinions utterly useless and boring; they were debating different things the whole time, and were too ignorant to even know it.

 

[RiotWyatt]

Jones would take him out in the first round... and that's prime vs. prime.

It’d be a good fight based on styles but really, Fedor could fight off his back. The only time Jones was ever in trouble was when he fought someone with a little comfort fighting off his back.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

How many combat sambo matches had he had, on top of MMA fights? His decline WAS due to wear and tear. He was in a sport pretty much every bit as physical as MMA, and was the best at that sport too, for years and years. One's body can only take so much. His "age" in combat years is elderly.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

To answer TS, wrestling is much more popular, especially in America. Wrestling also teaches the importance of cutting tons of weight.

The sport hasn't passed him, it finally caught up. A fast heavyweight who was dangerous everywhere- on his back, in top control, brutal submissions, ko power and beastly striking.

If he was in his prime today (when he fought CroCop) he'd find very little resistance on the path to the UFC belt. The HW division today is a joke.

 

[Summoning]

Jones would take him out in the first round... and that's prime vs. prime.

You have many thread to talk about Jones.. just look for "Steroids" "USADA" in the Search tool.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

That's it

Fedor vs Anderson vs GSP vs Jones

Fatal four way elimination chamber match.

DC special guest referee.

Let's settle this GOAT talk once and for all.

 

[WinZip]

People are dynamic. Some people have a natural talent for one skill and learn others as time goes on. Others have a talent for being athletic and don't need skill and technique as much. Other have neither talent nor natural athleticism and rely purely on technique.

Some people start boxing when they're 7. Some start BJJ when they're 12. Some people start wrestling in junior high and keep with it for 30+ years.

People have different backgrounds and experiences and skills and natural talents. It has ALWAYS been the case that the best fighters in the world have different styles and backgrounds. No one else has Fedor's background and skill and talent. But neither do they have Anderson's, or Aldo's, or GSP's or anyone else's.

People are dynamic.

 

[gono btw]

What TS will never understand, is the evolution of this game and how it was built.

The No1 Org today is UFC, USA = they need to feed the American market with local 'heros.'

The UFC´s objective is to sell to the American audience, its core market, not to the Russians or Brazilians.

The only traditional American Martial Arts in US are boxing & wrestling.

Thats why u see so many wrestlers in the UFC = more chances to see a wrestling-based champ.

Had them Gracies built the Org. in Brazil = more BJJ or Muay Thai competitors
In Russia = more sambo competitors
In Japan = mixed.

It has always been about opportunities and tournament spots.

The Russians, for instance, always have had better access to the Japanese MMA market.

 

[Fesaine]

Styles make fights, theres no special #1 style. No one is unbeatable. But going 10 years undefeated as a Heavyweight and doing what Fedor did made him GOAT.

^^^^^^ Yes the guy afraid to fight HW would beat the HW goat in his prime

LOL your argument of Fedor beating Jones is that Jones never fought in Hw? Did you forgot that he beat DC twice? And if we being honest Fedor got nothing on Jones both on feet and grapling

 

[bigconan]

The premise is that Fedor was the GOAT and his decline was due solely to age and wear and tear and nothing to do with the evolution of MMA.

In fact most Fedor GOAT advocates refuse to acknowledge any evolution in the sport and will happily educate you in that the pinnacle of the sport was in Pride.

So my question is:

If Fedor had the blue print why does everyone today practice wrestling and BJJ rather than Sambo and Judo?? And then how can you say the sport hasnt past him??

Aren't both Khabib and Zabit Sambo fighters?????????????

 

[wigglestick]

LOL your argument of Fedor beating Jones is that Jones never fought in Hw? Did you forgot that he beat DC twice? And if we being honest Fedor got nothing on Jones both on feet and grapling

Jones afraid to fight Cormier without steroids, Jones afraid to fight HW even with steroids. Your argument for him beating fedor is him beating a clean cormier when he was juiced?