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It's amazing that fight fans really think that the guy knocked silly with his face half ripped off should have been given the win.
Where did I say he was coherent?
I can and did take it seriously. I just criticized it in a serious manner.
A fight isn't over when a fighter thinks it's over. A fighter can be mistaken. A fight is over when the red says it's over.
It doesn't. A picture doesn't tell the whole story. A gif already tells a lot more. The way "intelligently defending" gets judged is by watching what a fighter does, meaning does he move to a better position or does he try to cover up or anything like that. You can't see that in a picture.
That's your opinion and I don't see a reason to argue against it.
but reem wasn't able to continue at that stage. he got finished before the bell and couldn't continue. it's not really that relevant that rozen was walking away because reem was finished. that's the call the ref has to make. sucks for reem but he had his hands down and got his face destroyed.
It's amazing that fight fans really think that the guy knocked silly with his face half ripped off should have been given the win.
It's amazing that fight fans really think that the guy knocked silly with his face half ripped off should have been given the win.
that "recovering" only accured because Rozenstruik chose not to further smash his face in. He chose mercy over death.Its not irrelevant. 4 seconds before the fight is over and Reem was recovering.
I disagree. Miragliotta made a terrible mistake, Overeem was up and standing with a few seconds left on the clock. Usually he stays down, when he's knocked out I mean.
Anyway, life goes on.
Exactly. I heard it was a controversial stoppage so watched the finish and didn’t really see any controversy at all. Reem looked like it would’ve only took one more strike to potentially put him out. He had his hands by his side, sitting against the fence, which reminded me of rockhold - Bisping’s finish. If Rozenstruik had just flurried like Bisping did rather than walk off, we wouldn’t even have been talking about this4 seconds is enough to land at least 4 powerful shots and send Reem to coma or worse.
Rozenstruik could land huge uppercut just like Romero did to Rockhold, but he showed mercy.
It's absolute insane that some people are arguing about stoppage especially when you look at his lip and hands down when he was knocked down on his ass next to the fence.
But sherdog opinion doesnt matter, fighters and MMA community doesnt bitch about it because people with some knowledge about MMA (and people who followed Reem career) knows what's up.
I was mad that Reem fucked this up and got caught in last seconds, but imagine that Reem won by decision if this punch have landed at 4:59 or even 5:00. Decision on the paper, true winner - Jairzinho.
There is a difference between someone giving an opinion on what happened during the fight, commenting on what has been the rules and procedures in similar fights like this for years and convincing people why the fighter they don't like was "knocked out" when Helen Keller could have clearly seen it that he was "knocked down". People have been commenting on this for two days by showing still photos and like a Patriots fan are making up new rules in a fight situation like this where their guy should have won the fight.
I could care less if I like the fighter or don't a bad call or a robbery in the NFL or UFC is bad for the sport.
I am not a Saints or Rams fan (don't dislike them either) but, in the Playoff game last year the live footage shows three ref's looking right at the play and the rules are crystal clear that a "defensive player can't pre-tackle the running back, receiver or a tight end when the ball is still nowhere near them yet. It was also a clear helmet to helmet hit.
The time left is as important in this fight as was the bad call against the Chiefs last year in the playoffs where the Patriots win the playoff game because the Chiefs defender lines up off sides and is penalized for it and every ex player, coach and the Chief's coach make the statement that in every game that there is a player that has done that the ref warns the team once before they throw a flag. The game would have been over and the Chiefs win without the call.
The fact is simple that REEM was knocked down, get's up and Rozenstruik walks away thinking he has won the fight (both fighters looked gassed and beat up). In no fight I have ever seen does the ref then run over and stop the fight and declare a TKO. I have seen in a hell of a lot of other UFC fights where in the same fight scenario the fighter comes over to finish the job (more strikes) and the "knocked down fighter" knocks him out.
The bottom line is that REEM was not "knocked out" and by Rozenstruik walking away without landing more strikes and actually "knocking REEM out" the time would have ran down and REEM wins the fight with clearly being up on points.
I haven't seen one person make a comment where they say that they believe if Rozenstruik comes over and lands 3 or 4 more strikes REEM doesn't get knocked out. Rozenstruik should have lost the fight for not finishing REEM off.
the 10 count is one reason i love boxing. Gives the guys a chance to recover and referee a closer look.View attachment 690103 Does this look like a fighter “intelligently defending himself”? Fight was over right there.
But watch him walk away not looking at his opponent. Especially when you have a guy who has been knocked out like 15 times lol
Please tell me which part of him walking the opposite way and not looking at his opponent, makes him look recovered and ready to go.
He was right to let that fight continue lmao
god i love that fight
Pfft I think I changed my mind. I though it was a good stoppage but not anymoreView attachment 690103 Does this look like a fighter “intelligently defending himself”? Fight was over right there.