punching in mma/punching in boxing

[supmaynnn]

what makes for the differences in the way fighters punch when they punch in MMA, and when they punch in professional boxing?

besides the glove size?

is longer range punching more effective in mma than in boxing to avoid the thai clinch?

is close range punching more effective in professional boxing since there is no thai clinch or etc to worry about?

in boxing there seems to be more shorter, straighter punches. do closer ranged punches do more damage?

why is it that some mma fighters such as Nog are successful with more traditional style boxing than other fighters such as ones from chute boxe that do not really follow the rules of boxing while still being just as successful

would wanderlei and shogun's punching be enough to earn him a brazilian boxing title like nog had won? (no? but what if it was a fight in which small gloves were used, like a boxing match with mma gloves?)





would it be impossible to say one is better than the other because of all these factors? who would win in a boxing match if MMA gloves were used instead of 16 oz gloves?

 

[RuDOWN4It]

mma is more about outside fighting. you don't see two mma guys clinching up and bobbing and weaving thru body shots.

 

[Tom Hishon]

4 oz. gloves change everything. You can't stand and trade in the small gloves as somebody is going to ko'd or hurt. I have found counter punching and working no more than three punch combinations. You have to be a careful though, cause alot of guys will leg kick the shit out of you when you go to jab. About the third one is all you can stand. Camden has a good video out of how to set them up.

If you get really close, I suggest going for a clinch, either greco/roman or MT. I have kickboxed but never MT kickboxed. But I have found myself falling in love with the MT clinch as you can knee the shit out of people. But if you got a good ground game greco roman clinches are a good way to get a slam or a sweep.

 

[ScottAM]

Rules change everything. In boxing close punching (punching out) is a great way to get out of a clinch before a referee steps in. In MMA the clinch is the time for knees and elbows, dirty boxing, and takedowns. I am traning for a sanshou fight and you are not allowed to have a neck clinch and throw uppercuts, so I was trying to work that into my sparring yesterday (with MMA camp) because I usually love the thai clinch with knees and uppercuts. In boxing there are so many less concerns. You don't need to worry about leg kicks, shots, ect, so the variety of situations to use punching in is much greater.

 

[masterfighter]

Id say its the rules and the chance of being taken down that change things most. And as for Nog's titel. Thats amateur boxing right? From what ive seen of amateur boxing, wanderlai could do well for himself. Could he win a brazilian title? I honestly dont know enough about amateur boxing in brazil to say.

 

[ScottAM]

that being said:
also in sanshou you need to change the way you think about takedowns. You cannot go down with your opponent. I guess we just need to adjust to whatever rules we encounter.

 

[krellik]

Actually you can go down with your opponent in sanshou, it is ok to shoot, 1 point for that, 2 points if you keep standing. Atleast around here...

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This topic is an infected can of worms... Yes mma fighters have more skills to train so they will never be as good in their hands as the best boxers, that is obvious.

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Some diffeferences:

-Smaller gloves which leads to making it whery hard to have a solid defence. Possibly leading to changes in how you defend the punches. (the crazy monkey method of defence for instance as an example)

-You cannot stand "sideways" to your oponent because of lowkicks and takedowns. Leading to a more "squared stance". From this stance you need to be able to comftably kick, thaiblock, sprawl and shoot.

-Unlimited clinch, the possibility of both knees, elbows, dirty boxing and throws and sweeps from the clinch.

-Knees, kicks, elbows... ... ...

-You need to be whery careful when ducking, "bobing and weaving" etc since its easy to catch a knee or a kick in the head this way.

-....Some more stuff...

 

[Beach Head]

If you are an MMA fighter and learn good boxing skills it helps u even more when u fight. Your punching form will be much better and you can also defend against punches better. A Bob and weave can be dangerous though in an MMA fight because u could eat a knee or a kick while doing it. Or even get caught in someone's clinch.

 

[Bas Rutten Gear]

Deleted bc is was a mispost.

 

[Bas Rutten Gear]

what makes for the differences in the way fighters punch when they punch in MMA, and when they punch in professional boxing?

besides the glove size?

is longer range punching more effective in mma than in boxing to avoid the thai clinch?

is close range punching more effective in professional boxing since there is no thai clinch or etc to worry about?

in boxing there seems to be more shorter, straighter punches. do closer ranged punches do more damage?

why is it that some mma fighters such as Nog are successful with more traditional style boxing than other fighters such as ones from chute boxe that do not really follow the rules of boxing while still being just as successful

would wanderlei and shogun's punching be enough to earn him a brazilian boxing title like nog had won? (no? but what if it was a fight in which small gloves were used, like a boxing match with mma gloves?)





would it be impossible to say one is better than the other because of all these factors? who would win in a boxing match if MMA gloves were used instead of 16 oz gloves?

1) In MMA you cannot or at least myself and Bas, don't recommend throwing weak/stingy jabs like they do in boxing. It is very easy to get a take down against someone throwing those. Throw with force.

2) In range boxing/dirty boxing IMO is more effective in MMA as you can hold their head and hit them which will generate more power for your shots as your opponent cannot get out of the way. Just look at the way Randy would hold his opponents head down and R uppercut them repeatedly.

3) Closer ranged punches don't do more damage. The longer a punch travels the more force it has. In boxing, boxers can throw more combinations bc they don't have to worry about getting taken down, kicked, or subbed.

4) Nog is able to have success with just his hands for a few reasons; 1) he is not worried about being taken down, 2) he has a knowledge of Muay Thai so he knows how to deal and deliver with kicks and knees, 3) he is a lot better overall at striking then many of his opponents.

5) I don't think Nog won any titles. Just trained with the Brazilian Olympic boxing team. BTW, in a pure stand-up fight, both Shogun and Silva would be able to beat Nog standing.

One last thing I forgot, in MMA there is not as much head movement due to takedowns and headkicks.

Krellik mentioned the smaller gloves and is right as you change your defense bc the punches you receive are now much harder but on the other hand you only need to slightly slip them to avoid them.

 

[TapSD]

MMA is a shorter fight where you need to finish your opponent....therefore there are many power punches like hooks and uppercuts,,,,the stright punch is highly underrated and not used much