Public Service Announcement: Aspartame is...

People get pissed off about the dumbest shit.
 
many "facts" concerning the food & drug industry nowadays are determined by scientists & doctors paid by big business.
 
Finding out who is paid by who is very easy. University studies are generally the most reliable because there's conflicts of interest with them taking money TO garner specific conclusions, especially directly from the FDA. When studies are independent, that's when it becomes questionable.

Besides, I'd trust a scientist or Doctor over an alarmist any day of the week.
 
if your that worried about chemicals in the foods that you eat, you should also be worried about cosmetic products that you use. Things like deodorant, lotions etc all contains metals and other "unnatural chemicals" that can be absorbed through the skin and into the blood stream.

you have to draw a line somewhere, and honestly drinking a glass of diet soda every now and then doesn't seem that harmful to me.
 
I'm happy I stumbled across this thread. I was drinking a diet pepsi at work and some girl from work printed out a 6 page report about how dangerous aspartame is and how it leads to death and cancer and every other disease out there. I'm definitely using that 600 cans to 1 orange fact today, thanks
 
I'm happy I stumbled across this thread. I was drinking a diet pepsi at work and some girl from work printed out a 6 page report about how dangerous aspartame is and how it leads to death and cancer and every other disease out there. I'm definitely using that 600 cans to 1 orange fact today, thanks

I cannot stand when people try and pull that kind of shit on me...nothing makes me happier than proving those idiots wrong after they bring shit up like that...
 
I've been drinking two liters+ of Diet Mt dew for years, and I've never had any negativvvvvealdkfmnald.e.a dhfaoe. dhasd. HA!!!
 
Exactly. I've been drinking Diet Coke since I'm born and me and my third nipple are doing just fine.
 
I cannot stand when people try and pull that kind of shit on me...nothing makes me happier than proving those idiots wrong after they bring shit up like that...

Did you even read the whole thread?

Wolverine said:
As I already stated:

"... fruits that contain methanol will also always contain ethanol and pectin which prevents methanol from turning into formaldehyde (and formic acid in some cases). "

So you got nothing to worry about with Oranges, or any fruit that has methanol in it. KK was just trying to make a point.

Did we even see a link to this study about Aspartame being safe?

I'm not for or against the argument as i don't know the facts, and neither does anyone else here in all fairness, no matter what they think. Yet still so many on here seem keen to spout out the old 'i've never had any problems' comment without even looking into the science of it.

As for Doctors, why would anyone instantly trust them? They are paid by pharmaceutical companies to push their products FFS! This obviously isn't bad in all cases but a great example is people turning up to their GP with a slight niggling injury and instantly being stuck on pain killers. What the fuck happened to dealing with the cause of the problem?!

Another example is someone turning up slightly down in the dumps. They walk out of the clinic 10 minutes later and have been prescribed Prozac or other anti-depressants without even the slightest hint at how to improve their general daily living to alleviate the problem.

Myself and many other people i know are all too familiar with the above situations, it;s not just something i've made up.
 
The amount of information on Aspartame being safe is very easy to find, it's the MOST clinically researched artificial sweetener on the market.

But alarmists would have you believe that these studies are paid for by the "Aspartame Industry"...ignoring the influence the sugar industry has, which is far more considerable.

What's laughable about your post is you discredit people for "not looking into the science of it"...then in the very next paragraph you go on to advise against people whose degrees indicate a certain amount of credibility in precisely that.

We either have to accept the words of those who study the science, or not...or study the science ourselves. Being a conspiracy theorist or alarmist, without any fire behind your smoke, just won't pan-out.

P.S. - spirez, did YOU even read the whole thread? 600 cans of diet soda to one orange. Even without the presence of ethanol, a 600/1 ratio is not something that qualifies a worry for danger in any form of science.

P.P.S. - Go to Pubmed sometime and plug in Aspartame, it's fairly easy to come across things like this:

Division of Cancer Control and Population Sciences, National Cancer Institute, 6130 Executive Boulevard, EPN 4005, Rockville, MD 20852-7344, USA.

BACKGROUND: In a few animal experiments, aspartame has been linked to hematopoietic and brain cancers. Most animal studies have found no increase in the risk of these or other cancers. Data on humans are sparse for either cancer. Concern lingers regarding this widely used artificial sweetener. OBJECTIVE: We investigated prospectively whether aspartame consumption is associated with the risk of hematopoietic cancers or gliomas (malignant brain cancer). METHODS: We examined 285,079 men and 188,905 women ages 50 to 71 years in the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study cohort. Daily aspartame intake was derived from responses to a baseline self-administered food frequency questionnaire that queried consumption of four aspartame-containing beverages (soda, fruit drinks, sweetened iced tea, and aspartame added to hot coffee and tea) during the past year. Histologically confirmed incident cancers were identified from eight state cancer registries. Multivariable-adjusted relative risks (RR) and 95% confidence intervals (CI) were estimated using Cox proportional hazards regression that adjusted for age, sex, ethnicity, body mass index, and history of diabetes. RESULTS: During over 5 years of follow-up (1995-2000), 1,888 hematopoietic cancers and 315 malignant gliomas were ascertained. Higher levels of aspartame intake were not associated with the risk of overall hematopoietic cancer (RR for >/=600 mg/d, 0.98; 95% CI, 0.76-1.27), glioma (RR for >/=400 mg/d, 0.73; 95% CI, 0.46-1.15; P for inverse linear trend = 0.05), or their subtypes in men and women. CONCLUSIONS: Our findings do not support the hypothesis that aspartame increases hematopoietic or brain cancer risk.
 
What's laughable about your post is you discredit people for "not looking into the science of it"...then in the very next paragraph you go on to advise against people whose degrees indicate a certain amount of credibility in precisely that.

I don't understand your point here, what advice did i give in my previous post?

I believe cancer is not the only suspected side effect of Aspartame consumption. I think it was on that 'Supersize Me' programme where they stated it was the most reported artificial ingredient in the industry. One guy suffered temporary blindness as a result IIRC. Its ben a while since i saw it though.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=1474447&pageindex=1

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=387446

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7486/309-a

So while it may not cause cancer, it seems that there are numerous other potential side effects that may not have been properly researched as of yet. I find it hard to see how it can 100% be declared 'safe', when there are still numerous possible contraindications to its use floating about.
 
I don't understand your point here, what advice did i give in my previous post?

This:

As for Doctors, why would anyone instantly trust them? They are paid by pharmaceutical companies to push their products FFS! This obviously isn't bad in all cases but a great example is people turning up to their GP with a slight niggling injury and instantly being stuck on pain killers. What the fuck happened to dealing with the cause of the problem?!

Doctors > layman in-terms of knowledge of "the science of it all"...so trusting them to a degree is an essential part of accepting "the science of it all"...those things you posted, guess who wrote one of them, a Doctor, and just one, who is a crusader against asparteme.

So while it may not cause cancer, it seems that there are numerous other potential side effects that may not have been properly researched as of yet. I find it hard to see how it can 100% be declared 'safe', when there are still numerous possible contraindications to its use floating about.

Of course you don't, because you WANT to believe there's something wrong. The problem with the information that is written in articles against aspartame is they never provide any credible scientific evidence that directly links aspartame to anything. Does this mean research should stop? No, research never stops, scientists feel that even if we know something we should keep studying things because of a little something we like to call evolution. Something might not be dangerous definitively now, but the human body may adapt a certain way in time that might change things.

Safe, as best we can say it, is that in moderate consistent use, it has yet to be significantly linked to any dangers despite all the hooplah. None of the crusaders can say for certain that a series of studies finds that aspartame will kill you and precisely why. Right now the opinions and fear are speculative, and consist largely of smoke and mirrors, but no real hard evidence. Now if you want to walk around afraid of aspartame because of that then that's on you, but with something as wide-spread as the panic over it you'd think there'd be scientific confirmations of Death and disease that can be directly attributed to a non-toxic amount of aspartame use. And before anyone tries to spin the "toxic amount" point, keep in-mind too much of many many things publically perceived as far less dangerous than aspartame, will DEFINITELY kill you.
 
Wow...another cite of an independent study...sweet. I will just go with the one that was univeristy funded that showed that it would take a human 6-800 diet sodas a day (the amount that was injected into rats came out to this number) to have any negative health effects. By the way you gotta avoid red meat...its bad....
 
Also, people will key on anecdotal stories to prove Aspartame is death.

Surely, out of the millions who use aspartame, some people will have negative reactions. Someone will have a negative reaction to EVERYTHING.

SO, said person will drink diet coke and get headaches. She quits Diet Coke and the headaches leave. She tells everyone she knows, starts a blog, and lobbies congress to make Diet Coke illegal. (With exemptions for Indian Casinos, of course.)

50 million people drink Diet Coke with no ill side effects, but they of course tell nobody. Nobody see somebody drinking a Diet Coke and says "Awesome! I've been drinking that for years with no ill side effects!"
 
I don't understand this crusade for aspartame and diet Coke. Why would you even care ??
 
I don't understand this crusade for aspartame and diet Coke. Why would you even care ??

Do you mean crusade against?

I personally am in favor of aspartame are largely taking the position of research over automatic belief of alarmism. That's something I do care about, unfortunately for me at times.
 
You say i WANT to believe something's wrong, yet i said in my first post that i'm neither for or against the use of Aspartame so how do you come to that conclusion?!

I still do not see where you are coming from regarding the doctors. I'm talking about real life examples here, not just studies. A friend of mine went to a doctor as they were having a pretty shitty time and was prescribed Prozac straight away. I told them no to depend on drugs and instead got them to come train with me, eat better, sleep better etc and lo and behold, they are now back to their normal selves without even the slightest sniff of an anti-depressant. They're also 10x fitter for actually doing something other than sitting on their arse in front of the TV at night!

Same with my dad, was prescribed pain killers for lower back pain yet funnily enough i get him to work on strength and flexibility and he has no need for the drugs any more. I'm not working miracles, just using a bit of common sense.
 
You say i WANT to believe something's wrong, yet i said in my first post that i'm neither for or against the use of Aspartame so how do you come to that conclusion?!

I still do not see where you are coming from regarding the doctors. I'm talking about real life examples here, not just studies. A friend of mine went to a doctor as they were having a pretty shitty time and was prescribed Prozac straight away. I told them no to depend on drugs and instead got them to come train with me, eat better, sleep better etc and lo and behold, they are now back to their normal selves without even the slightest sniff of an anti-depressant. They're also 10x fitter for actually doing something other than sitting on their arse in front of the TV at night!

Same with my dad, was prescribed pain killers for lower back pain yet funnily enough i get him to work on strength and flexibility and he has no need for the drugs any more. I'm not working miracles, just using a bit of common sense.

The problem is if you go the the doctor and say gee doctor I am depressed his only option is to prescribe anti-depressants because 90% of the people that he tells to eat better, exercise, and sleep better won't do one of those things. People are generally lazy.
 
I feel obligated to TTT this because I have something to say.
I just read Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You to Know About and in it, it states how harmful asparatame is. It is addicting, it makes you more hungry, it makes you bloated, and continued drinking of diet soda does form a physical addiction.
Kevin Tredeau (spelling?) absolutely 100% has NOTHING TO GAIN from the truths he is telling in his book. He does not invest in any vitamin companies or anything like that, he does not advertise certain brands to take, etc. His information is unbiased and being attacked by the FDA because his research is showing people how to live without prescription drugs and non-prescription drugs. Therefore, his research is very harmful to the pharmaceuitical industry, which is directly linked to the FDA. That is why he is being attacked by the FDA.
My point is, while I 100% respect and 99% listen to what KK preaches, I have to disagree on this subject, this is my 1% of resistence. :)
We don't know if the study KK refers to was funded by the FDA (the most corrupt government agency in the world), or Coca-Cola, Pepsico, McDonalds, etc. The information in that research could be biased, and YES, there could be profit made by the results of their testing. Much more profit than could be made by saying asparatame is bad for you.
I am not preaching the drinking of normal soda. Hell, don't drink anything but water, man. But I would rather have an occasional Coke or applejuice than a diet soda.
I honestly believe diet soda was made to make people more fat, therefore making people drink more diet soda, and eventually giving them health problems. Health problems only the "Prescription Drug World" can handle.

Kevin Trudeau is a complete disgrace and is just looking to make $$ by having some outrageous and completely untrue views about diseases, cures, and myths. Who is he?? Where did he train for his MD or PhD? What the f*** does he know about anything worth reading? He is biased but on a different angle. He is biased against the FDA and AMA etc...who he blames for the health problems and alleged cures that are purposefully withheld (like cancer). The blame should be placed on the kind of life we are all living and the access to cheap unhealthy and readily accessible food called the Western Diet, something many here on this forum are trying to limit in their diet. Many of these epidemiologic changes are all a result of the changes in economy, having fathers and mothers work like dogs - failing to rest, relax, eat healthy, exercise, enjoy family time etc... all to make just enough to get by. The cost of living is increasing beyond a typical pay raise and it is driving people to have little choice but to choose a convenience-modeled lifestyle which eventually shows up on ones waistline. There is much more to this, but people like Trudeau are irritating and spreading the fictitious nonsense around the globe as they are capitalizing on impressionable people who buy into false data. What he says about aspartame is purely irrelevant.
 
The problem is if you go the the doctor and say gee doctor I am depressed his only option is to prescribe anti-depressants because 90% of the people that he tells to eat better, exercise, and sleep better won't do one of those things. People are generally lazy.

There is some truth to this. People want the quick fix even when the long-term solution is laid out for them. The cause is usually addressed but the compliance is somehow horrendous even after a patient takes the time to go see their MD.
 
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