PSA: A good chin is BAD

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For all of you who have no striking experience, a good chin is supposed to be a LAST resort. This means that footwork, sharp defense, effective countering, head movement, and both the threat and reality of your own offense are all supposed to keep you from eating hard shots. Only very occasionally should an elite fighter be taking devastating shots flush and undefended. What Whitaker is doing is BAD.

It is far better to be elusive with excellent defense than it is to be very hittable, but able to hang on. Being knocked around every fight is how damage accumulates and fighters’ primes are shortened. An elite fighter should NOT be getting into enough wars for fans to marvel at his chin each fight.

Whitaker’s coach has A LOT of work to do or his fighter will never achieve his full potential.
 
Totally agree.

That was a scary fight to watch. It wasn't like it was a big hit and lights out. Instead it was 25 minutes of beating eachother half to death. Fuck the rematch.
 
Tell that to George Foreman who is more articulate than most people his age who have never fought once
 
Nah. Being lazy with a good chin is bad. Having a good chin as champion is a requirement.

Nobody wants to get hit no matter how great their chin is. It still hurts mane. Having a good chin is like last defense to losing a fight. Anderson Silva had an amazing chin in his prime and his defense was just as good. He's been caught with some hard shots in his career that would've put Overeem to sleep like it was nothing
 
Randlewand said:
Totally agree.

That was a scary fight to watch. It wasn't like it was a big hit and lights out. Instead it was 25 minutes of beating eachother half to death. Fuck the rematch.
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Whitaker might look back on Romero the way Ali did on Frazier. Sometimes, the fights you win are the biggest career missteps.
 
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Good chin is good for fighting's career but bad for your life.
It make you take much more damage than usual.
 
Romero relied on his chin more than Whittaker. Your point is muddled. He took like two big shots, and then during recovery he ate more shots, but it's generally not possible to dodge shots while you recover, so what was he supposed to do, tap out after he took the big shots?

I believe you are thinking about Roy Nelson or Diego Sanchez.
 
Straightcross said:
Tell that to George Foreman who is more articulate than most people his age who have never fought once
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1. This thread isn’t about being articulate though?

2. Foreman illustrates my point. He was feared for the bombs in his fist and didn’t get into as many eat-one-to-land-one wars as, for instance, Ali, because he was huge and trading shots with him was unwise. He wasn’t relying heavily on his chin to survive most fights with rivals.
 
Thepaintbucket said:
He's been caught with some hard shots in his career that would've put Overeem to sleep like it was nothing
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Are you referring to the embedded episode where he is play fighting with one of his toddlers by chance?
 
BangersAndSmash said:
Romero relied on his chin more than Whittaker. Your point is muddled. He took like two big shots, and then during recovery he ate more shots, but it's generally not possible to dodge shots while you recover, so what was he supposed to do, tap out after he took the big shots?
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Try reading my post again. Esp the part about footwork and other elements of truly effective striking. Whitaker needs more training in the fundamentals of defensive striking.
 
A good chin is good, relying on a good chin to carry you through fights is bad.

You seem to be under the impression somehow that Whittaker willingly took Romero's bombs. Fighters make mistakes, just like any other athlete or professional. In MMA making a mistake means that you get hit - it happens to everyone. So when that mistake happens, it obviously is better to have a good chin as opposed to a mediocre or bad chin. Game planning around a good chin in the way that someone like Justin Gaethje does - now that clearly is a bad thing. Does Whittaker do that? That's not my impression at all.
 
Zmurri said:
Try reading my post again. Esp the part about footwork and other elements of truly effective striking. Whitaker needs more training in the fundamentals of defensive striking.
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His chin was his last resort, he didn't TRY and eat those bombs on purpose. His footwork is good, have you seen any of his other fights? He tried a big pressure game tonight and broke his right hand pretty early. Considering he's the only person who has actually beaten Yoel Romero, I think his game plan was justified.
 
Zmurri said:
Whitaker might look back on Romero the way Ali did on Fraser. Sometimes, the fights you win are the biggest career missteps.
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That's exactly how I see this. I don't want to see a rematch.

I think they should start a joint Cuba-stralian mma team/gym instead; teach young kids self defense skills and mack on some fine-assed soccer moms instead. Or maybe Romero becomes Bobby's wrestling coach and salsa dance instructor. They are both too cool of guys and would excel in any mma offshoot.
 
Alxair said:
A good chin is good, relying on a good chin to carry you through fights is bad.

You seem to be under the impression somehow that Whittaker willingly took Romero's bombs. Fighters make mistakes, just like any other athlete or professional. In MMA making a mistake means that you get hit - it happens to everyone. So when that mistake happens, it obviously is better to have a good chin as opposed to a mediocre or bad chin. Game planning around a good chin in the way that someone like Justin Gaethje does - now that clearly is a bad thing. Does Whittaker do that? That's not my impression at all.
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No. I’m under the impression that Whitaker’s defensive striking is a neglected element of his game and will
cost him big. He has the tools to be an all-time great and is still young enough to be broken of bad habits. But, like many MMA fighters and coaches, he doesn’t understand that the first priority of an elite striker is to AVOID damage and, only after first doing that, proceed to inflict damage.
 
Yeah, he was doing fine avoiding getting hit until that first one rocked him bad. Hard to use good footwork when you are on rubber legs. The 4th and 5th rounds he wasn't quite the same.
 
Stormtrooper85 said:
Foreman took very little damage throughout his career.

A better example would be George Chuvalo
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Wtf r u drunk?
Foreman took allot of damage and has like 80 fights.
Look at the bombs he took from holyfeild and he already had 60 fights by then
 
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