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i am a big believer that there is no perfect way to do anything and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. i though i would start a thread about the pros and cons of various techniques and styles. i will start with punches.
Straight Punches.
Pros) travels the most direct route to the target, therefore you can beat people throwing wider shots to the punch.
extra range, straight punches add reach and you can effectively punch your opponent from further away.
less choreographed, straight punches are more deceptive and harder to see coming
better defensively if thrown properly and to the head, as they return along the same path and impede return fire a bit.
Cons) harder to generate force with as you can't rely on circular momentum to build velocity.
extremely hard to generate force on someone that is backing up, straights are most effective as your opponent is stepping in.
harder to generate force when your tired as they require the coordination of your whole body to be truly effective.
limited lines of attack can make them become predictable, this is why even the best straight punchers still have a hook and an uppercut.
useless in close, range must be maintained to make them effective.
just a few thoughts and i'm sure there is a lot more to add.
 
any one interested just post a technique or style and we will see see how many pros and cons we can think of. (my knowledge is mostly punching but i'm sure there are heaps of people with great insight into kicking or even grappling)
 
Weight on front foot (default)

PROS:

- Hook is always ready to deploy, so if you have a killer hook, this may be it


CONS:

- Face/head really close to their fist, and wide open (but not vice versa)
- Mobility sucks
- Close to zero reaction time available
- Off balance or committed at almost all times
- Little to no defense
- Easy to read what you're going to do (go forward? hook?)
- Easy, safe counter for the other guy, all night
- You're in distance while he's out of distance
- Requires you to chase because ^^
- Other guy better be much worse than you in nearly every department
 
Weight on front foot (default)

PROS:

- Hook is always ready to deploy, so if you have a killer hook, this may be it


CONS:

- Face/head really close to their fist, and wide open (but not vice versa)
- Mobility sucks
- Close to zero reaction time available
- Off balance or committed at almost all times
- Little to no defense
- Easy to read what you're going to do (go forward? hook?)
- Easy, safe counter for the other guy, all night
- You're in distance while he's out of distance
- Requires you to chase because ^^
- Other guy better be much worse than you in nearly every department

Lol that is a bit of a one way street.
 
Weight on front foot (default)

PROS:

- Hook is always ready to deploy, so if you have a killer hook, this may be it
- lead foot fighters tend to have better lead uppercuts
- foot foot heavy with positive head position allows for great range of motion with the head (i believe this i why some of the good old school defensive fighters used positive head positioning. check out johnny famechon)
CONS:

- Face/head really close to their fist, and wide open (but not vice versa)
- Mobility sucks
- Close to zero reaction time available
- Off balance or committed at almost all times
- Little to no defense
- Easy to read what you're going to do (go forward? hook?)
- Easy, safe counter for the other guy, all night
- You're in distance while he's out of distance
- Requires you to chase because ^^
- Other guy better be much worse than you in nearly every department
 
Long knee

pros:
-a very strong solid strike
-excellent as a counter to a cross
-great strike to close distance and/or enter the clinch

cons:
-It's a close ranged strike, but not too close if that makes sense
-Double edged sword, If not enough lean back and distance is too close (aka being sloppy with form), a counter right awaits you
-In MMA if the knee isn't tight, its an invitation to a single leg


eye pokes

pros:
-blinds opponent
-hurts
-same mechanics as a jab
-a diverse strike, can be used standing up or on the ground

cons:
-fingers are fragile, if done wrong or opponent times a headbutt, your fingers could be fucked, and you probably will be out of a job as you can't use your fingers, probably lose your girl too since you can't finger her for awhile

kick to the groin

pros:
-hurts
-might ruin chances of opponent having kids in the future

cons:
-if opponent is on drugs and adrenaline, it won't end a fight and he'll be pissed


monkey steals peach

pros:
-hurts
-could be a fighter ender
-if opponent is homophobic, it would weird him out, and he'd bail ASAP

cons:
-doesn't work on chicks
-if you're homophobic, you'd never use this technique
 
Elbow

PRO

Great for cutting an opponent.
Can be thrown at very short distance.
Can finish a fight.

CON

If thrown incorrectly can leave you open to a nasty elbow counter.
It's primarily a short range weapon.
You might end up with elbow tendonitis.

what the fuck? seriously, your not even amusing. at least huggins had style. besides i only use arms when they are armed.

I still "have" style......:mad:
 
Elbow

PRO

Great for cutting an opponent.
Can be thrown at very short distance.
Can finish a fight.

CON

If thrown incorrectly can leave you open to a nasty elbow counter.
It's primarily a short range weapon.
You might end up with elbow tendonitis.



I still "have" style......:mad:
true that. we haven't had reason to swap insults for a while, but you still provide plenty of laughs.
 
Philly Shell

Pros:
Can see everything clearly
Built in counters
almost impenetrable body defense


Cons:
Takes good sense of timing or else can get you knocked out
Weakness to overhand right on top of head
 
Funny looking at boxing during the Liston era. Straights/crosses are suspiciously absent. As if it was frowned upon. It's all hooks and sweeping rights. Boxing in the 90s and 200os had a lot more straight punching
 
Philly Shell

Pros:
Can see everything clearly
Built in counters
almost impenetrable body defense


Cons:
Takes good sense of timing or else can get you knocked out
Weakness to overhand right on top of head

Philly shell is that a sea food dish from the new worlds??
 
i think this is a good idea for a thread, but kind of tuff because, every attack, punch, kick, knee, elbow, can be countered.

safest attacks would be the jab and teep IMO.
 
i think this is a good idea for a thread, but kind of tuff because, every attack, punch, kick, knee, elbow, can be countered.

safest attacks would be the jab and teep IMO.

Don't you mean a jab and a foot jab??
 
Well, it obviously depends on which rules apply to the fight, if at all.
 
i think this is a good idea for a thread, but kind of tuff because, every attack, punch, kick, knee, elbow, can be countered.

safest attacks would be the jab and teep IMO.
I will contest that right now

jab:
cons
-doesn't have much power compared to other strikes
-stiff jab is bad against leg kicks
-ARIZE does not approve of punches. Thus makes it 100% useless in combat sports

teep:
cons
-takedown city
-easier to read compared to other kicks, jab, setc
 
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