Proper knee technique

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Never having done an MA that uses knees, i would like to learn the proper technique/footwork/setups for using knees (i have no access to an MT gym sadly)


tips appreciate thx
 
the best time to throw knees is if u have them in a full thai clinch (have full control of their neck with both hands wrapped around the back of their neck and forearms pinching their head) watch rampage vs shogun on youtube or anderson silva or wanderlei vs rampage 1 and 2


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BigBubba said:
While it's not the greatest, this might help with very basic technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDsPBDHyQDk
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Fucking horrible.

Correct knee's are sort of tricky and take alot of practice to get down. You don't bend backwards at all. Your get up on your toes of your back foot, and it pivots. The sides of your hips should be pointing at your opponent. In the Buakaw pic, his foot isnt as pivoted as it could be, but well it was a fight and that's where in the movement his foot was when his knee connected.

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Max Shane said:
Fucking horrible.

Correct knee's are sort of tricky and take alot of practice to get down. You don't bend backwards at all. Your get up on your toes of your back foot, and it pivots. The sides of your hips should be pointing at your opponent. In the Buakaw pic, his foot isnt as pivoted as it could be, but well it was a fight and that's where in the movement his foot was when his knee connected.
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While I agree, this particular person's knee looked very akward and poorly executed, there's nothing wrong with leaning your shoulders back when you fire a knee. Leaning back does several things:

1. Adds a significant amount of penetrative power to your straight knee
2. Aids in pulling the opponent's head down while clinched
3. When the proper motion is learned, aids in a speedy recovery back to your stance

I thought that the demonstrator was too flat-footed, he should have gotten on the ball of his supporting foot. While the pivoting of the rear foot can add power, I've also noticed that while using that technique, the person firing the knee has a tendancy to not recover properly i.e. the place their foot straight down after the knee and end up in the opposite stance.
 
A lot of different types of knees out there, people. Just a few points:

- There are knees from the clinch (straight, side) as well as "entering" knees.
- You should be up on your toes for all three.
- For entering knees aka knees from the outside, you want to thrust your hips forward and throw your shoulders slightly back -- all in one motion.
- Straight knees from the clinch require separation -- distance between your hips and your opponents'. If he goes "dick to dick" like he's supposed to (common clinch knee defense), either take a big step back with the leg you're using to knee then knee, or push forward with your forearms then knee (see the Aerts video below).
- The knees in Max Shane's post looked like side knees. Like hook punches, you want to pivot your hips rotationally as you knee. The need for separation and for backwards movement of your upper torso is less with side knees

Some video references:

General overview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYAJGEtUBn4

Peter Aerts shows you knee technique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SczzUAm7NcE



Establishing the Thai clinch is another topic altogether.
 
Hey Max,

Much respect for being a fighter, but I think you might be not be 100% right on this...

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Ramon Dekkers' coach, Cor Hemmers, would agree with me.
 
Seriously, watch real thai fights from lumpinee or other stadiums. See how they throw their knees. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3t9kZOeXc (one of my favorite fights)

Never do they do that learning back shit. Hell, if you can't watch real thai fights just check Buakaw from K1. See how he knees.
 
deadlyshaolin said:
Hey Max,

Much respect for being a fighter, but I think you might be not be 100% right on this...

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Ramon Dekkers' coach, Cor Hemmers, would agree with me.
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He's doing a class. Regular Joes mixed in with a few with potential paying him to make them work out. I train with excellant instructors, but in their commercial classes most of them have horrible technique save for a few at most.

Edit: I read you wrong. I wasn't aware that was a coach and not some student. Still, my point stands, the correct way to knee is the way I described. If you watch UFC you will see those leaning back knees, if you watch fights from Lumpinee or Ratchadamnoen you will see the knees I described. I don't think I need to point out which has better striking.
 
^ I watched the video and really enjoyed it (Jongsanan... isn't he at Fairtex SF?)

Thing is, I saw plenty of backward movement of the upper torso when they kneed. It wasn't pronounced (it didn't look like Hemmers' picture above, obviously), but there was definitely a slight backward motion whenever either fighter threw a big knee. This is most apparent at 4:15 of the video.

In general, you see the most backward lean in "entering" knees, less in clinch knees.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fELKTMnSLDk

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBI0jTfI1H4

Oldschool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9KGW5sGmZM note the excesive backbend during the knees.

Wait another thaifighter that bends his back backwards about as much as most mma fighters I have seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bia6yCwJDOU

Apareantly some thais bend backwards to. Strange huh. Can it be so that there are more than one type of knee in thaiboxing and that they got slightly different mechanic??:rolleyes:
 
deadlyshaolin said:
^ I watched the video and really enjoyed it (Jongsanan... isn't he at Fairtex SF?)

Thing is, I saw plenty of backward movement of the upper torso when they kneed. It wasn't pronounced (it didn't look like Hemmers' picture above, obviously), but there was definitely a slight backward motion whenever either fighter threw a big knee. This is most apparent at 4:15 of the video.

In general, you see the most backward lean in "entering" knees, less in clinch knees.
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That minute, unpronounced back lean you mentioned is just the nature of the movement. Just how when you throw a punch you may find yourself leaning forward, or on a kick you might find yourself learning back just a smidge to find balance or for whatever reason. It's not a principal of the technique.

At that one point of the video you mentioned, with Jongsanan, he was doing a situational knee where he lifted it, pushed it out and learned back. That is not how you regularly knee to strike, as can be seen by the fact that that knee was exceptional enough to be noted.
 
The only time you lean back is when you are doing the basic front knee, without clinching.
This creates power + distance.

When you clinch, you dont lean all the way back because that gives too much distance. Rather your body goes up and straight like a stick
 
InternetMonster said:
The only time you lean back is when you are doing the basic front knee, without clinching.
This creates power + distance.

When you clinch, you dont lean all the way back because that gives too much distance. Rather your body goes up and straight like a stick
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No.
 
InternetMonster said:
The only time you lean back is when you are doing the basic front knee, without clinching.
This creates power + distance.

When you clinch, you dont lean all the way back because that gives too much distance. Rather your body goes up and straight like a stick
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Thank you for showing us the correct technique
 
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