Problems with the instructor

El Tiburon

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First, I want to let everybody know that I am a noob when it comes to Gracie JJ. I started rolling 4 months ago and I am a bonafide-certafide bottom of the barrel white belt.

I was in class on Thursday. I was rolling with one of the assistant instructors (a brown belt). He was having his way with me, as expected. I tapped 3 times in 5 minutes. On the fourth go around he was paying more attention to the other guys rolling than to what he was doing with me. I managed to pull guard. Then he droped a nasty elbow that chipped a tooth and lacerated my lower lip. I wound up going to the ER to get 4 stiches and then to the dentist who told me that it would cost $ 1,250 to get a crown. I forked over the money.

The guy saw that my mouth was bleeding and did not even offer an apology or even say that it was an accident.

My question to you guys. Is this excusable? It is understood that while rolling there is to be no striking of any kind, no leg/foot locks and no neck cranks. I know that there will be injuries but I never expected this. What bothers me most is that he is an assistant instructor.

Your thoughts fellas.

BTW please feel free to include any injuries that you have suffered that you feel should have been prevented.
 
that guy sounds like a butt licker. he didnt even appologize? Damn. You need to not roll with him anymore.
 
did it look real serious at the time????

cause honestly in my school guys butt heads and bonk each other with knees and elbows and stuff and very rarely does anyone actually get hurt. Did you know right away you chipped your tooth?
 
That sucks man, but it seems like there is a little more to it than you said.

I would personally use that for motivation to get better, but that's just me.
 
dapunisher said:
did it look real serious at the time????

cause honestly in my school guys butt heads and bonk each other with knees and elbows and stuff and very rarely does anyone actually get hurt. Did you know right away you chipped your tooth?
immediately. I was wearing a mouthpiece but it was one of my lower front teeth. I felt something loose in my mouth and pulled it out. At the moment my main worry was my lip. It was badly cut and I dripped a small blood trail to the locker room.
 
Placebo_ said:
That sucks man, but it seems like there is a little more to it than you said.

I would personally use that for motivation to get better, but that's just me.
There are two or more sides to every story. I can only give mine. Unfortunately no rolling for 3 weeks. Thank God for surfboards.
 
Sounds like ego gone bad...Usually it is the low belts that hurt folks, not the other way around.
 
Do u still want to be with this school, even if the assistant instructor does the same thing again. If i were u, just move to anothe school. U said the brown belt did not apologize, so, if u tell the head instructor of the incident, who will he believe, a brown belt he know for many years or a bottom of the barrel white belt?
 
loui_ludwig said:
Do u still want to be with this school, even if the assistant instructor does the same thing again. If i were u, just move to anothe school. Even if u told the head insructor, would he believe u?

He would propoably believe him, but he definately will have a stronger bond with the instructor than the new student and will propoably not do anything about it.
 
loui_ludwig said:
Do u still want to be with this school, even if the assistant instructor does the same thing again. If i were u, just move to anothe school. U said the brown belt did not apologize, so, if u tell the head instructor of the incident, who will he believe, a brown belt he know for many years or a bottom of the barrel white belt?
The head instructor was standing in the middle of the mat. I don't think he saw exaxtly what happened but he is aware if it by now. I have not said anything to him. As for me sticking around. I have a 12 month commitment with this school. If I go to class or not I will have to pay anyway.
 
doesn't sound intentional but talk to him about it and let him know wat is going on, that will tell you his true character
 
I would quit if it's as you said. The guy should have apologized at least.

And about your twelve month commitment, unless you gave them your bank account number or something it is probably not enforcable. How are they going to collect the money from you? Sue you for it?

I used to teach at a martial arts academy that had yearly contracts (at least). I know from talking to the manager that if someone just decided to quit, they did not collect on the contract. It was too much hassle and bad publicity to go through that. Not worth it for a few hundred dollars. They just let people out of the contract if they decided to stop coming.
 
I don't understand how he droped his elbow so hard on you........ Anyway he is an ass for not apologising you shouldn't roll with him anymore...
 
To get rid of contracts:
Monthly is 200
3 month contract is 150
6- 120
12- 100 etc etc

If you went for say, 4 months at 100 (400 total) just pay for the 3 month rate plus regular month difference ( 650-400= 250) just pay the 250 difference , then haul ass. Pricey, but thats why you gotta make up your mind in the beggining months or just not sign a contract at all.
 
Maybe talk to the head instructor and tell him how you feel. That you're concerened about your safty, etc., and you would like to be released from the contract. Go from there. Maybe based on his attitude, handling of this, you'll decide to stay. If he becomes an ass, maybe threaten legal action. While everyone signs a release, etc., they do not protect the school from negligence. Maybe the threat of a suit would be enough to release you from your agreement.

Also, don't get me wrong. I'm not suit happy. I'm actually trying to recover from an elbow injury that happend in class. I consider it part of training. But if someone is going to be an asshole towards you, then you need to be an asshole back.
 
If the guy saw he busted you open an didn't even apologise he's an asshole. If I get a lock and the guy shouts in pain or hear a pop I'll let go and I'll check he's not seriously hurt ASAP. If I accidentally knee or elboe someone I'll say sorry and ask if they want to keep going or not. Martial arts are just as much about discipline and respect as it is about self defense, I'm surprised he's a brown belt yet doesn't even have the courtesy to apologise. If you are concerned and apprehensive about going back (and who could blame you?) have a word with the instructor explaining what happened, your concerns and why you would like a release to avoid further trouble like this in the future. Unless he's extremely unreasonable he'll understand you signed up for jiujitsu and not Vale Tudo and will be willing to release you from your contract.
 
El Tiburon said:
First, I want to let everybody know that I am a noob when it comes to Gracie JJ. I started rolling 4 months ago and I am a bonafide-certafide bottom of the barrel white belt.

I was in class on Thursday. I was rolling with one of the assistant instructors (a brown belt). He was having his way with me, as expected. I tapped 3 times in 5 minutes. On the fourth go around he was paying more attention to the other guys rolling than to what he was doing with me. I managed to pull guard. Then he droped a nasty elbow that chipped a tooth and lacerated my lower lip. I wound up going to the ER to get 4 stiches and then to the dentist who told me that it would cost $ 1,250 to get a crown. I forked over the money.

The guy saw that my mouth was bleeding and did not even offer an apology or even say that it was an accident.

My question to you guys. Is this excusable? It is understood that while rolling there is to be no striking of any kind, no leg/foot locks and no neck cranks. I know that there will be injuries but I never expected this. What bothers me most is that he is an assistant instructor.

Your thoughts fellas.

BTW please feel free to include any injuries that you have suffered that you feel should have been prevented.


i've only been rolling for alittle over a month. i've seen that already. bottom lip. i don't know the situation with his apologies, but in my opinion, i would feel extemely upset/hurt/angry/vengeful over this. i always apologize for anything i did outta line. i prob apologize too much. this is GRACIE fu$#%'n jiu-jitsu people- GET SCHOOLED cuz this is a sport where respect is heavily relied upon. he should have apologized. he will be punished- karma's a mf'r
 
I'd talk it over with him, he may not even know he really hurt you that bad, but if he's a prick about it. I'd switch schools, or even talk with a lawyer. Most places have a liability waiver, but if they are negligent they're still liable. At the very least, you'll get out of your contract.
 
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