Prisoners Launch National Strike to Protest Poor Prison Conditions

[GSP_37]

I forget what it was on TV, but they showed a fat woman in prison on top bunk and she had her own personal TV. WTF? They still have freedom to have a TV in prison?

 

[koolinkunming]

Punishment..prisons not supposed to be a punishment

So if we dont allow ideal inmates to land prison jobs to supplement their income..how do we expect them to leave prison and land on their feet? To not violate and return?

Only in america is this such an issue

I wont even touch on the private prison for pay system

Prisons are not supposed to be punishment?



K.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

Prison is a joke these days and such a waste of taxpayer money.

If we're going to pay out the ass to house these people, then put their asses to work. I don't care how rough it is on most of them. All they do is take from society so they need to be forced to give back by doing manual labor. Killing and raping people shouldn't land you 3 square meals a day and a roof over your head while you just hang around all day working out and sleeping. Your ass needs to be outside working to make this world a better place, even if it's just trash cleanup.

 

[Mike]

Going back to my earlier quote:


Not sure where you are getting the, "...none of these things are designed to be accessible for people struggling...if you think any of those things are accessible to the poor. They haven't been for decades now." Not sure where in the U.S. you are located. I know you've had issues. Again, the infrastructure for mental health help in this country is excellent compared to other countries. I've worked with people that have experienced this first hand. I also know people that rather blame the 'system' than blame themselves for their problems. Yeah, that excuse gets old fast...

3 in 10 may make it through rehab, and that is after going through rehab at least 5 times. Many people don't want to change or have the discipline to change, but the help is out there. It seems easier to remain a fuck up for life. How many in Third World countries would love to have the help the U.S. provides.

Don't work a job? Free medical including counselling and meds. But then how do you pay rent, unless you pop out kids for welfare.

Work a low paying job because that's all you can get? No food stamps, no Medicaid, no housing allowance. Now you have to purchase medical care thru the market.

Which is expensive, and doesn't cover anything. Want to see a doctor? Copays. Therapy? Copays. Meds? You guessed it copays. Want to see specialists to try to diagnose anything but simple issues? Much more exorbitant specialist copays.

In the past I have dropped $400 in a day on copays and medication. And you had better pray you have only mental or physical ailments and not both, as that effectively doubles what you pay.

I don't know why so many people think there are all these resources for the working poor. Any attempt to make more money ultimately fucks you unless it's a large increase in income.

A mild to moderate increase pushes you past the tiny caps for aid programs, effectively lowering how much money you have, because now you can't get any aid unless you drop your gross earnings again

 

[Pliny Pete]

I forget what it was on TV, but they showed a fat woman in prison on top bunk and she had her own personal TV. WTF? They still have freedom to have a TV in prison?

Yea you can buy one from the private Wall Street investment firm that owns the prison at a 1200% mark up
You can buy lots of stuff in there at huge mark ups so that way the rich fat cat CEO's get money from the taxpayers(they spend pennies on the dollar to operate the prison and keep the rest) and then they get more money from the convicts trying to make themselves as comfortable as possible in a terrible situation
Its quite the hustle they got going on
Respect

 

[Tuf_guy]

I believe that prisoners should be treated humanely, but i have no problems with hard labor. Prison doesn’t seem like much of a deterrent as it is, so I don’t think that making it easier is the way to go.

How about actually trying to rehabilitate some of them instead of having a bunch of people become higher risk from that environment and characters in it?

 

[Omegaboy13]

It’s always just a long con. They protest the conditions in order to open more avenues for gang activity, introduction of illegal/illicit items, and to hinder staff in the short term.

 

[Tuf_guy]

Prison conditions should fit the crime. Currently, all inmates are treated like murderers and pedophiles- what does that say to the inmates who can actually be rehabilitated?

I've known one person who went to prison, and despite the horrid conditions, he made the most out of his 2 year sentence. Stayed out of trouble, kept his nose clean, and lowered every minute of his sentence possible. His two complaints: garbage for food and working for $0.19/hr, 12 hours/day left him no time to continue his degree. Came out with a job skill he never had before and within 2 months he found a job making above minimum wage. He is the exception to the rule.

Private prisons have almost completely nullified the chance at rehabilitation so good on the inmates for protesting.

When you combine low risk people with high risk people, they don't meet in the middle - the low risk people become higher risk.
It's like the stories about a guy going in for something driving related and ending up doing major time on and wind up on some whole other shit - full convict status.

If someone goes in for possession of drugs and spends years surviving in a savage environment around murderers, rapists, and general career criminals - I reckon that person may have a higher chance of committing more crimes and possibly worse than drugs in his sock.

Getting off topic, but I kinda wonder if the point of the war on drugs was because the government, and their influencers weren't making the money off of it. I mean, it's kinda ok to drug everybody and their 3 year old up on pharmaceuticals, but some people have fucked up records and can't work in their profession because they sold some weed

 

[Omegaboy13]

When you combine low risk people with high risk people, they don't meet in the middle - the low risk people become higher risk.
It's like the stories about a guy going in for something driving related and ending up doing major time on and wind up on some whole other shit - full convict status.

If someone goes in for possession of drugs and spends years surviving in a savage environment around murderers, rapists, and general career criminals - I reckon that person may have a higher chance of committing more crimes and possibly worse than drugs in his sock.

Getting off topic, but I kinda wonder if the point of the war on drugs was because the government, and their influencers weren't making the money off of it. I mean, it's kinda ok to drug everybody and their 3 year old up on pharmaceuticals, but some people have fucked up records and can't work in their profession because they sold some weed

I’d hate to ruin your whole gimmick here, but there’s a classification system in prison(s).

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Isnt Bernie Madoff's prison or Mike Vick's prison pretty nice?

Oh well, I wonder did La Eme, The Brand, BFGs and other gangs organize this? They probably the only ones with the intra, and inter prison network to get something like this going.

I hear there is much over crowding in the prison. In some prisons they are kept in the gymnasium on bunk beds instead of cells. I know SA, China, and 3rd world are probably worse, but we dont want to be like them.

 

[Omegaboy13]

Isnt Bernie Madoff's prison or Mike Vick's prison pretty nice?

Oh well, I wonder did La Eme, The Brand, BFGs and other gangs organize this? They probably the only ones with the intra, and inter prison network to get something like this going.

I hear there is much over crowding in the prison. In some prisons they are kept in the gymnasium on bunk beds instead of cells. I know SA, China, and 3rd world are probably worse, but we dont want to be like them.

Overcrowding isn’t the prison’s fault, it’s the general public’s.

 

[Tuf_guy]

I’d hate to ruin your whole gimmick here, but there’s a classification system in prison(s).

So I've been told. Yet placing people who are low-risk with people who are high risk creates more people who are more high risk (according to some experts in the forensic field).
Pretty sure it's a bad thing to foster an environment that fosters increased criminogenic thinking when many of them could have been addressed in some other way.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Overcrowding isn’t the prison’s fault, it’s the general public’s.

I think then the Gen Pub need to find way to stop sending so many people to prison, or if they think that many people do need to be in prison, they need to build enough prisons.

 

[Omegaboy13]

So I've been told. Yet placing people who are low-risk with people who are high risk creates more people who are more high risk (according to some experts in the forensic field).
Pretty sure it's a bad thing to foster an environment that fosters increased criminogenic thinking when many of them could have been addressed in some other way.

Low risk... high risk... define them both, then take people who have committed a gamut of crimes and classify them appropriately. Max, medium 1, medium 2, min 1, min 2, trustee, etc. After you’ve classified them, take all of those classification reports and house them appropriately. That’s the best you can do, it’s the best anyone can do with limited budgets, manpower, and public care/opinion. Your doe eyed view of this world would get inmates and staff killed.

 

[Omegaboy13]

I think then the Gen Pub need to find way to stop sending so many people to prison, or if they think that many people do need to be in prison, they need to build enough prisons.

Exactly. That requires funding, the DOC is at the end of the list during legislative sessions.

 

[Tuf_guy]

Low risk... high risk... define them both, then take people who have committed a gamut of crimes and classify them appropriately. Max, medium 1, medium 2, min 1, min 2, trustee, etc. After you’ve classified them, take all of those classification reports and house them appropriately. That’s the best you can do, it’s the best anyone can do with limited budgets, manpower, and public care/opinion. Your doe eyed view of this world would get inmates and staff killed.

Lol. "Doe eyed view". Many of the people in prison didn't need to be there to address the threat they pose to society (some of them are not at all a high risk to others). I don't profess to be an expert on prisons. It just doesn't take an expert to know when a system is really fucked up.

I deal with the people after they get out of prison and trying to help them to be a lower risk to reoffend...or in some cases offend to begin with.
I'm pretty familiar with fairly dangerous people and what can happen if they go unaddressed until they create more victims.
Regarding risk, I'm referring to the level of risky behaviors they engage in, and the threat it poses to others as well as the risk of recidivism.
If you don't believe people become influenced to engage in worse behaviors based on their peers I question why any experts in the field speak of this as a problem.

If this system were effective, we should have fewer people going back to prison, and ultimately fewer people in prison.

This is somewhat off-topic, anyway. I really don't see why these protests bother people who aren't in prison 24/7 so much.
I'm sure there's something to their complaints. And I'm sure smaller groups could've opted to go apeshit instead of finding other ways to "fight back"

 

[Omegaboy13]

Lol. "Doe eyed view". Many of the people in prison didn't need to be there to address the threat they pose to society (some of them are not at all a high risk to others). I don't profess to be an expert on prisons. It just doesn't take an expert to know when a system is really fucked up.

I deal with the people after they get out of prison and trying to help them to be a lower risk to reoffend...or in some cases offend to begin with.
I'm pretty familiar with fairly dangerous people and what can happen if they go unaddressed until they create more victims.
Regarding risk, I'm referring to the level of risky behaviors they engage in, and the threat it poses to others as well as the risk of recidivism.
If you don't believe people become influenced to engage in worse behaviors based on their peers I question why any experts in the field speak of this as a problem.

If this system were effective, we should have fewer people going back to prison, and ultimately fewer people in prison.

This is somewhat off-topic, anyway. I really don't see why these protests bother people who aren't in prison 24/7 so much.
I'm sure there's something to their complaints. And I'm sure smaller groups could've opted to go apeshit instead of finding other ways to "fight back"

And I’m one of the literal experts you cited earlier, pleased to meet you.

 

[Tuf_guy]

And I’m one of the literal experts you cited earlier, pleased to meet you.

Hello. I was mainly citing this guy, though.
Edward Latessa, PhD; What Works (and Doesn't) in Reducing Recidivism

 

[Omegaboy13]

Hello. I was mainly citing this guy, though.
Edward Latessa, PhD; What Works (and Doesn't) in Reducing Recidivism

Oh, so I’m not expert enough. Got it.

 

[Tuf_guy]

Oh, so I’m not an expert enough. Got it.

You might be. Idunno. I've only seen a few things you said on the karate forum same as could be said about me.

But in all seriousness, You sound to have some understanding of the prison system from firsthand/probably frontline experience. You also seem to have a very punitive view that makes me doubt you'd have much interest in entertaining multiple perspectives on the topic. Maybe being in close contact with that population can create biases. (I imagine it would and can't say it hasn't happened for myself in different settings.)
That's just a hunch without knowing you.

I don't love crime or think nobody should go to prison, or that it should be a resort, but I think it's often overkill and counter productive for many.
That doesn't mean that I think everyone should be treated the same regardless of their behaviors.
I don't have a problem saying some people are lost causes. But more effort should be placed in providing a chance for those who want to change and will end up back on the streets whether for better or worse.