prime / motivated bj would destroy khabib

16-12 fighter vs undefeated fighter.

Oh, this is soooo hard to choose :rolleyes:
 
The one that broke GSP's nose and destroyed him in the first round?

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I could see that.

Penn had great striking, great takedown defense, great takedowns, great BJJ, iron chin, flexibility.

He had everything except for cardio.

If we are talking 2004 to 2010 BJ I would say it is a very close fight. BJ could light Khabib up on the feet but Khabib would likely eventually score a takedown.

50/50 on this

New fans will say BJ has no chance but that is only because they never saw BJ compete with elite WWs and dominate the LW division.
 
I hate dumb fucking threads like these because BJ is my favourite fighter of all time. I honestly think skill wise he's one of the GOATs.

But these threads just attract people to shit all over BJ and his record (as if that means anything given his career path).

I'd give Penn in his prime a go against anyone within his weight class, he beat a seemingly unstoppable version of Matt Hughes, I still think he took GSP in their first fight and he smashed a Sean Sherk roided to the gills who'd never been beaten at LW. BJ paved the way for the lighter weight classes and the prodigy was an apt nickname, his athletic ability and world class skills in all areas was nearly unrivalled at one point.
 
Typrune Goatley said:
The one that broke GSP's nose and destroyed him in the first round?

<mma4>

I could see that.

Penn had great striking, great takedown defense, great takedowns, great BJJ, iron chin, flexibility.

He had everything except for cardio.

If we are talking 2004 to 2010 BJ I would say it is a very close fight. BJ could light Khabib up on the feet but Khabib would likely eventually score a takedown.

50/50 on this

New fans will say BJ has no chance but that is only because they never saw BJ compete with elite WWs and dominate the LW division.
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stylistically fairly good match for bj, he'd win the first 2 rounds..if it went all 5 thatd be the question

but marinovich bj was scary and could go 5

it's objectively a very intriguing matchup
 
WhitebeltXL said:
I hate dumb fucking threads like these because BJ is my favourite fighter of all time. I honestly think skill wise he's one of the GOATs.

But these threads just attract people to shit all over BJ and his record (as if that means anything given his career path).

I'd give Penn in his prime a go against anyone within his weight class, he beat a seemingly unstoppable version of Matt Hughes, I still think he took GSP in their first fight and he smashed a Sean Sherk roided to the gills who'd never been beaten at LW. BJ paved the way for the lighter weight classes and the prodigy was an apt nickname, his athletic ability and world class skills in all areas was nearly unrivalled at one point.
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Marinovich BJ Diego’s Khabib..In Russia
 
Typrune Goatley said:
The one that broke GSP's nose and destroyed him in the first round?

<mma4>

I could see that.

Penn had great striking, great takedown defense, great takedowns, great BJJ, iron chin, flexibility.

He had everything except for cardio.

If we are talking 2004 to 2010 BJ I would say it is a very close fight. BJ could light Khabib up on the feet but Khabib would likely eventually score a takedown.

50/50 on this

New fans will say BJ has no chance but that is only because they never saw BJ compete with elite WWs and dominate the LW division.
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I've followed BJ most of his career, was a huge fan back in the day and thought he would hold on to his belt for years. But no, no version of BJ comes close to beating current Khabib.
 
Typrune Goatley said:
The one that broke GSP's nose and destroyed him in the first round?

<mma4>

I could see that.

Penn had great striking, great takedown defense, great takedowns, great BJJ, iron chin, flexibility.

He had everything except for cardio.

If we are talking 2004 to 2010 BJ I would say it is a very close fight. BJ could light Khabib up on the feet but Khabib would likely eventually score a takedown.

50/50 on this

New fans will say BJ has no chance but that is only because they never saw BJ compete with elite WWs and dominate the LW division.
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I admit I wasn't really watching MMA during BJ's reign.
But please explain me how he dominated or when was his domination era.

I've seen his prime fights and yes, he was good - chin, striking, bjj, takedowns.
And yes, many times he fought bigger guys. Just like Moose, but nobody gives Moose credit for this, even though he has an amazing record.

He has 2 wins over Hughes, a win over Diego, a win over Sherk, a win over Gomi.
That's it!
I am not saying the other guys were cans. They weren't. But they weren't world beathers either.

Also, he never had a long winning streak.
He lost twice with GSP, twice with Frankie (in his prime, not counting the last one - 0-3) and the new guys caught up with him - Rory, Yair


Also, I would like to mention the fact that MMA evolved a lot.
 
WhitebeltXL said:
I hate dumb fucking threads like these because BJ is my favourite fighter of all time. I honestly think skill wise he's one of the GOATs.

But these threads just attract people to shit all over BJ and his record (as if that means anything given his career path).

I'd give Penn in his prime a go against anyone within his weight class, he beat a seemingly unstoppable version of Matt Hughes, I still think he took GSP in their first fight and he smashed a Sean Sherk roided to the gills who'd never been beaten at LW. BJ paved the way for the lighter weight classes and the prodigy was an apt nickname, his athletic ability and world class skills in all areas was nearly unrivalled at one point.
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I agree. If he was able to hang with GSP in the first fight and submitted Matt Hughes, I would say he has a good chance against Khabib. GSP always had better striking than Khabib.
MescalineDreams said:
stylistically fairly good match for bj, he'd win the first 2 rounds..if it went all 5 thatd be the question

but marinovich bj was scary and could go 5

it's objectively a very intriguing matchup
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I agree. I think BJ would be the favorite in a 3 round fight but Khabib might be the favorite in a 5 rounder
 
quantiqus said:
I admit I wasn't really watching MMA during BJ's reign.
But please explain me how he dominated or when was his domination era.

I've seen his prime fights and yes, he was good - chin, striking, bjj, takedowns.
And yes, many times he fought bigger guys. Just like Moose, but nobody gives Moose credit for this, even though he has an amazing record.

He has 2 wins over Hughes, a win over Diego, a win over Sherk, a win over Gomi.
That's it!
I am not saying the other guys were cans. They weren't. But they weren't world beathers either.

Also, he never had a long winning streak.
He lost twice with GSP, twice with Frankie (in his prime, not counting the last one - 0-3) and the new guys caught up with him - Rory, Yair


Also, I would like to mention the fact that MMA evolved a lot.
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i think context is everything , bj can be a strange case to newer fans, it can be very easy to miss the bigger picture unless you were watching during that time or have very strong fight iq / experience.


Bj was special
 
I agree.

Bj would have been a terrible matchup for Khabib, look what he did to a prime Hughes who was quite a bit bigger and stronger than Khabib while also having comparable fantastic grappling and barely passable striking.

Khabib doing his thing against MJ and barboza does NOT mean he can do it against a prime and properly motivated BJ.
 
quantiqus said:
I admit I wasn't really watching MMA during BJ's reign.
But please explain me how he dominated or when was his domination era.

I've seen his prime fights and yes, he was good - chin, striking, bjj, takedowns.
And yes, many times he fought bigger guys. Just like Moose, but nobody gives Moose credit for this, even though he has an amazing record.

He has 2 wins over Hughes, a win over Diego, a win over Sherk, a win over Gomi.
That's it!
I am not saying the other guys were cans. They weren't. But they weren't world beathers either.

Also, he never had a long winning streak.
He lost twice with GSP, twice with Frankie (in his prime, not counting the last one - 0-3) and the new guys caught up with him - Rory, Yair


Also, I would like to mention the fact that MMA evolved a lot.
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Go watch his first fight vs GSP. He busts GSP up real good.

He also submitted Matt Hughes.

He had a competitive draw with WW Jon Fitch.

He also probably deserved the decision in the first Edgar fight.

I don't think anything has evolved past GSP and BJ. I think they were extremely skilled and well rounded. BJ had great boxing, dangerous clinch, iron chin, could take down GSP at one point, stuffed all of Sherk's takedowns, could take anyone's back and submit them.

BJ's record isn't that great but that is because he fought a lot of bigger opponents. If BJ could hang with GSP and Hughes he could hang with Khabib.

I would pick Penn in a 3 rounder but Khabib would probably break him down in a 5 rounder
 
danny23 said:
16-12 fighter vs undefeated fighter.

Oh, this is soooo hard to choose :rolleyes:
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What would Khabib's record look like if he spent the majority of his career at MW and then padded his record with losses at the end.
 
And shit, BJ was far more well rounded than Barboza, MJ, Conor, Khabib. All those guys are good at one thing. Penn was awesome everywhere.
 
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