Prime Ken Shamrock vs Khabib

[fightfan70]

don't be silly.

kaboob automatically mauls and dominates anyone.

 

[Grapplefest]

Khabib would actually beat the Shamrock that lost to Royce.

 

[RonniePickering]

Would have been fun to see Shamrock ragdoll Khabib like a little girl and break a few limbs

 

[DOMMA]

Shammy is the most underrated and underappreciated fighter of all time. Dude was a legit bad ass. Sure, he spent his prime in WWF, and the game had passed him by when he returned, but he was still an all time great. Did himself no favors with a few sketchy performances/dives when he was past it, but he's not the joke a lot of MMA fans make him out to be.

I'm not sure brother - what are his two best wins? Maybe Bas Rutten and Dan Severn?

He has a very sketchy resume with very few legit wins and lost to almost every legit fighter he faced.

 

[Thick_Strong_Tight]

Certainly anything can happen in the ring, but some of you are actually favoring (in this ridiculous matchup) a guy who said that natural 170 lbers are too big for him. Ken walked in at 220-240.

 

[Local Plata]

Rickson by Rousey.

 

[SUPERGRAPPLER]

Khabob!

 

[Alcibiades007]

Just so everyone knows, this is Ken w/o the advantages of modern day fighters.

 

[CRobby22]

Shamrock via happy juice.

 

[clivers]

shamrock via ankle lock

 

[Arrrrgh]

You're conflating the 1993 Shamrock (with 1 year of Pancrase and zero knowledge of BJJ) with the 1995-97 Shamrock who evolved quite a bit. Sure, he didn't have the knowledge of an elite 2018 grappler, but at least he had a working knowledge of BJJ submissions and how to defend them. He'd also trained extensively with Oleg Taktarov by that time. Oleg was one of the best submission specialist of that era.

Again, though, there are so many unknown assumptions that you can't seriously analyze these fights. Do we assume Khabib has full knowledge of every early Shamrock fight while Ken has zero knowledge of Khabib's skillset? That's certainly not fair or realistic in any way.

I didn't assume anything other than they are who they are and they know what they know. Shamrock can have all of his accumulated knowledge to date and he is still easy work for Khabib. If you think they are anywhere near the same level you are kidding yourself.

The only thing Ken has is size. He was never a great fighter. He was good at slapping and submitting people in Pancrase. He doesn't have shit for Khabib.

Khabib smashes.

Shamrock bottles up and quits.

 

[UL]

mods all must be at a Christmas party

if this was a shogun thread
it'd be gone in a flash

 

[mkt]

I didn't assume anything other than they are who they are and they know what they know. Shamrock can have all of his accumulated knowledge to date and he is still easy work for Khabib. If you think they are anywhere near the same level you are kidding yourself.

The only thing Ken has is size. He was never a great fighter. He was good at slapping and submitting people in Pancrase. He doesn't have shit for Khabib.

Khabib smashes.

Shamrock bottles up and quits.

You've simply asserted your bias. Shamrock was the best fighter in the world in 1995 when he submitted Severn. You haven't explained how Khabib can beat a pretty good wrestler with good submissions who would have a good 40-50 pounds on him. Shamrock takes him down and holds him there and wins a UD.

 

[mkt]

I'm not sure brother - what are his two best wins? Maybe Bas Rutten and Dan Severn?

He has a very sketchy resume with very few legit wins and lost to almost every legit fighter he faced.

Back in 1994-1996, Oleg, Kimo, Severn and Bas were all legitimate competition. I know they weren't as impressive as beating real HWs like Michael Johnson and Conor at 155, but they were solid fighters in that era nonetheless.

 

[DOMMA]

Back in 1994-1996, Oleg, Kimo, Severn and Bas were all legitimate competition. I know they weren't as impressive as beating real HWs like Michael Johnson and Conor at 155, but they were solid fighters in that era nonetheless.

I can't get the image of him getting finished by Franklin in round 1 or how easy Tito walked through him.

 

[Arrrrgh]

You've simply asserted your bias. Shamrock was the best fighter in the world in 1995 when he submitted Severn. You haven't explained how Khabib can beat a pretty good wrestler with good submissions who would have a good 40-50 pounds on him. Shamrock takes him down and holds him there and wins a UD.

Bias against shamrock? Sure. I'm bias in the sense that I'm realistic about the fact I recognize he was a 50/50 fighter against the other best fighters of his day and his skills are rudimentary against fighters of today.

Khabib is better everywhere. He just isn't as big.

Another guy who wasn't as big and was far less skilled then Khabib gave shamrock all kinds of problems. But I digress.

Sorry your feelings are hurt!