Prime Fedor vs Jon Jones

[ermac88]

Hendo fought at LHW the previous two fights, and the following several fights back in the UFC.

That is a FACT.

As if the fact that he took performance boosting drugs.

Yep and he weighed 207lbs when he knocked Fedor out

 

[TR1]

Yep and he weighed 207lbs when he knocked Fedor out

So he wasn't a MW.

Good job on admitting you have no clue what you are babbling about.

Now go stick a needle in your ass like a good boy.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

NOt wrong.
Fedor was knocked out by a MW again Henderson
This is FACT

-And Dillashaw KO'ed by a Flyweight
-GSP tapped to strikes to a LW
-Anderson subbed by LWs
-DC beat by a LHW
-Hendo beat by a WW
-Jones can't pass a drug test and he too will probably get KO'ed by a smaller fighter one day. Jones is only 31 years old and doesn't even have 25 fights(not to mention, 90% of his wins are over smaller and/or past prime fighters). Jones will lose one day too.

You are comparing a 42 year old veteran in the twilight of his career to a 31 year old who has half as many fights. What will you say when Jones declines and gets KTFO? Somebody else is new GOAT? By your logic everyone is a GOAT until they lose. What you don't realize is they all lose at some point if they keep fighting.

 

[Erratic]

He was ALWAYS outsized by roided guys??? You do realize fedor was larger than more than 50% of his opponents??? Stop posting.

LOL like who? Fedor was always 220-225, so he was thinking guys that were 215? Dan Henderson doesnt count as I was talking about Prime Fedor in my post, and Hendo beat him as Fedor was losing at that point. Too late in his career

 

[nately]

It would look like Jones vs Shogun.

Jones would win 95 out of 100 times imo.

 

[Make Sherdog Great Again]

How's your boyfriend Colby doing, can't afford pornstars for pics no more, because Dana doesn't give him fights?

Fedor is a man with dignity and didn't sign Dana's bs contract that owned Fedor and didnn't allow
to compete in combat Sambo.

Truth always strikes a chord.

 

[91 seconds]

He got beat by a guy 2 weight classes lower and 40 years old

Good for Henderson. Hes not in the elite class as Jones, GSP, Fedor, A Silva..that's just how it is and will be.

 

[ermac88]

So he wasn't a MW.

Good job on admitting you have no clue what you are babbling about.

Now go stick a needle in your ass like a good boy.

Oh triggered I see
Rockhold Wiedman, Romero Gastleman have all said they weigh over 207 fight night

207 on the ring, is a MW
sorry

 

[ermac88]

-And Dillashaw KO'ed by a Flyweight
-GSP tapped to strikes to a LW
-Anderson subbed by LWs
-DC beat by a LHW
-Hendo beat by a WW
-Jones can't pass a drug test and he too will probably get KO'ed by a smaller fighter one day. Jones is only 31 years old and doesn't even have 25 fights(not to mention, 90% of his wins are over smaller and/or past prime fighters). Jones will lose one day too.

You are comparing a 42 year old veteran in the twilight of his career to a 31 year old who has half as many fights. What will you say when Jones declines and gets KTFO? Somebody else is new GOAT? By your logic everyone is a GOAT until they lose. What you don't realize is they all lose at some point if they keep fighting.

Umm I didnt say any of that.

I simply said Fedor was knocked out by a 40 year old MW.

Fedor was not 42 when Old man Dan knocked him out

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Umm I didnt say any of that.

I simply said Fedor was knocked out by a 40 year old MW.

Fedor was not 42 when Old man Dan knocked him out

And plenty of other greats have also lost to smaller or older fighters. It will happen to Jones and all the current top guys one day as well.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

They would probably weigh around the same, Jones with that reach and he should be quicker than Fedor by a bit. But how do you pick against prime Fedor if he's fighting a LHW?

 

[HitMachine]

Prime Fedor would destroy Jones + Cormier in a 1v2.

 

[sylvalant]

Fedor's boxing is unortodox and effective, and his sambo/judo worked great against big roided HW wrestlers, bjj guys and strikers.
He beat real HW, some , like Tim , 265+, unlike Jones who is scared even to fight DC at HW, which he beat. He knows he can only beat drained and fainted DC.

No, it was only effective because of his hand speed, not because of his poor technique.
His boxing arsenal was a very limited one that consisted mostly of horizontal loopy punches and did not include straight punches. Unsurprisingly, many amateurs and people who never learned boxing do the same thing. Hence his boxing was getting outclassed by Arlovski's before Arlovski did something stupid and decided to use a flying knee instead of his boxing. Joe Rogan also made a comment on it during their fight.

Before you bring up that Jon's boxing skills isn't high level either, it doesn't matter. Jon's striking success doesn't revolve around his boxing, unlike Fedor.

Fedor has a lot of armbar wins against wrestlers and great judoka Ogawa.
So GTFO with BS that Jones subs Fedor. Fedor rips his chicken leg or wing!

A lot of armbars against cans and a list of people that had 0 BJJ blackbelts among them. Jones actually outgrappled and subbed and fighters with high level BJJ. Funny how you tried to prove me wrong by bringing up the name of a can.

And unlike Fedor, Jones never got successfully armbarred himself.

CC is not one dim, he had world class K-1 and TDD.
Nog had world class BJJ and good boxing
Arlovski and Tim were dangerous strikers with good grappling defence.

So learn yuor facts, noob!

Tim Sylvia had shitty grappling. Merely having ok TDD doesn't make you more than one dimensional. Cro Cop's grappling went from bad to ok, I'll give you that.
The Big Nog that fought Fedor had negligible boxing skills. Mirko and Tim Sylvia completely dominated Nog on the feet until he could get them to the ground. He was the definition of one dimensional.
Arlovski isn't one dimensional, I should've been more clear about what his problem was. I brought him up because his chin made him glass cannon. So no, with his attributes and record he's nowhere near the level of DC and Jones. Never was.

I did get my facts straight. When you get out of denial you'd see that.

 

[mortal]

You said the UFC was overrated yet none of your hero’s could cut it...you don’t know whether your coming or going do you.

Non-wrestlers in a wrestling org...They're not doing so bad IMHO.

I didn't say overrated but since I do believe it I'll give you a pass although you're slowly moving the goalposts just so you can have something to respond with.
I talked about hype and you eating it up.
Since you spoke about heros; It's the ones loyal to the UFC who act as if the brand of it or the belt give a fighter special powers. How many "goats" is the UFC counting so far? Exactly.

In case you haven't heard btw, Jones got busted again. Now put the cage on your shoulders and start running so he can find a state to fight again.

 

[MMonk]

Truth always strikes a chord.

IF it stroke you... go jerk off to Colby's pic with pornstars.

 

[MMonk]

You deffo are a spastic.. you really are. I feel bad for you.

Carry on.

Feel bad for yourself, troll.

 

[MMonk]

Doesnt matter Jones is just way too skilled for that reckless brawling.
Guys of that echelon get beaten the worse against Jones. ie Shogun

He never faced someone as fast, strong,explosive and able to transition like Fedor.
Still Fedor got more KOs than Jones.
It's not brawling, it's meant to set up clincj takedowns, Jones hasn't seen from others.

 

[MMonk]

No, it was only effective because of his hand speed, not because of his poor technique.
His boxing arsenal was a very limited one that consisted mostly of horizontal loopy punches and did not include straight punches. Unsurprisingly, many amateurs and people who never learned boxing do the same thing. Hence his boxing was getting outclassed by Arlovski's before Arlovski did something stupid and decided to use a flying knee instead of his boxing. Joe Rogan also made a comment on it during their fight.

Before you bring up that Jon's boxing skills isn't high level either, it doesn't matter. Jon's striking success doesn't revolve around his boxing, unlike Fedor.

A lot of armbars against cans and a list of people that had 0 BJJ blackbelts among them. Jones actually outgrappled and subbed and fighters with high level BJJ. Funny how you tried to prove me wrong by bringing up the name of a can.

And unlike Fedor, Jones never got successfully armbarred himself.

Tim Sylvia had shitty grappling. Merely having ok TDD doesn't make you more than one dimensional. Cro Cop's grappling went from bad to ok, I'll give you that.
The Big Nog that fought Fedor had negligible boxing skills. Mirko and Tim Sylvia completely dominated Nog on the feet until he could get them to the ground. He was the definition of one dimensional.
Arlovski isn't one dimensional, I should've been more clear about what his problem was. I brought him up because his chin made him glass cannon. So no, with his attributes and record he's nowhere near the level of DC and Jones. Never was.

I did get my facts straight. When you get out of denial you'd see that.

Fedor's striking is specially ment to create chaos and transition into clinch/ sambo/judo trows.
And he was sucessfull with it, he KO'd people well.

Arlovski and Tim are solid strikers and much bigger than Jones, yet Fedor adapted and smoked them.
The can i brought up is a fucking Olympic silver medalist judoka, noob.

Who did Jones sub?
Old ass MW Vitor, MW Machida, old ass horrible grappler JAckson, green wrestler Bader ( at that time).

All Jones beat he had either weight or a huge reach advantage, or both.
That's why he is scared shitless to go to HW.

Would love to see Jones fight HW roid Werdum and get subbed himself.

Tim Sylvia was fucking 280 pounds, size matters and Fedor smoked him with ease.
Cro Cop - almost no one was able to take him dawn, his sprawl was great.

Nogueira started training in judo at the age of 4, boxing at 14 and Brazilian jiu-jitsu at 18.
So he started it before BJJ. No shame in being outstruck by CC, who was a K-1 contender.
And yes, he had trouble with Tim's huge size and reach, but then adapted and beat him.

So if it was Fedor, who chose to go to UFC, he would beat Tim, as he did, Mir, as he did and i hope you admit he's beat Randy. His first real test would be Cain.

2009 Arlovski was in his prime with nice resume and few losses. And the F-bomb , Fedor caught him with would KO 90% of HW.
Unlike now, in 2009 Arlovski was very solid win, he was top 5 HW easy,

So Fedor almost always fought in a disadvantage, giving up either
1-size
2- reach
3- opponent was roided or on TRT.
or various simultaneously.

And still went on 33 figth winning streak.
BTW, Sonnen , which fought both, said Fedor was most explosive and strong.

Jones is only 30, got 23 wins and he allready was caught cheating a lot, using roids, looks like he can't win without them anymore, which discredits his resume.

And he is scared to move up, even to fight HW DC, who he beat allready.Told himself, that a HW DC is dangerous for him, he prefers depleted LHW DC.

I really think, that with strict USADA and VADA testing and fighting at HW, Jones gets destroyed by DC, Cain, Stipe. Others in top 10 is a toss up.

 

[MMonk]

Jones has shit in his system again:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/metabolite-found-in-jon-jones’-ufc-232-vada-test-results.3900115/

 

[91 seconds]

The funniest thing is when people mention how Dan beat Fedor they're actually down playing Henderson. Like he was never capable and it was unbelievable that he got that win. That was a sloppy short fight. Fedor was dominating until he chased Henderson and missed judged how hurt he was and that was a beautiful uppercut by Dan.

Do you guys think Henderson is a lot better than Serra and other mediocre the great fighters lost to in their prime? Fedor, Jones and Khabib are were and at that level of Terminator. Something Silva, GSP never had. It takes a lot to rack up 30 wins in a row, not counting that cut stoppage 14 seconds into the fight. I just think people are undermining Dan. It's no shame to lose to him especially when he was on trt.
Fedor has looked smaller and fights different in the States. Needs to come out to his epic intro and get rid of the priest. He also fought in a ring his entire life. Its smaller and the cut offs are way different . I'm not excusing him it was a legitamate loss, although you had Herb Dean who jumps on anything. You place Jones at a Pride tournament in 2003 and Fedor would eventually break a piece of his body. Those arms would be like snatching spider legs. And Henderson would not even be on the radar.