Prime CroCop was way better than Reyes, Santos, Smith and Gus.

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Mixfight, Feb 10, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Mixfight Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,303
    Likes Received:
    0
    Where is this notion coming from that these guys are so good? Because they fight in the UFC? These guys are OK at best but I havent seen anything from them that suggests they are more special, more skilled or more deadly than the elites from 10-15 years ago.

    Anthony Smith is a journeyman MW bum with 15 losses who has been stopped by the likes of Josh Neer. His title shot was given to him on the premise of beating an ancient Shogun and a shot, CTE Rashad.

    Santos is a MW bum who got stopped by David Branch of all people lol and dispatched by Mousasi as if he was a can. Then he goes to LHW and beats an average Blacowizc and a glassjaw Manuwa and gets a title shot. Again what the hell makes him special or elite? Nothing. The answer is he is in the UFC and that's all these geeks need as a measuring tool to assess the level of a fighter.

    Then you have Dominick Reyes. A guy who trains at an unknown gym, has 12 fights and got his title shot from going life and death with Volkan Nogroundgameir and KOing Chris "KOd in 4 of his last 6" Weidman. Again Reyes is a good fighter and he might be very good one day but he isnt special and we havent seen anything from him that would suggest that the so called "GOAT" should struggle against him.

    Let's not forget Gustafson who was talking retirement before the Jones rematch and then got smashed by Jones and got choked out by journeyman Smith in his next fight and retired. That was Jones' last finish and he had steroids in his system that night. Nevada refused to sanction him so the UFC literally moved the event last minute to another state.

    The fact is all of these guys are average fighters. They are being billed as elites in the division because insecure basement dwelling Jon Jones fans can't seem to accept the undeniable fact that without his steroids hes boring, unimpressive and highly competitive with these guys who arent even that special.

    This is a live case study of steroid use and how taking steroids effects your performance in sports. Also shows how much the UFC brand plays a role in the way fighters are measured.

    The UFC geeks are insecure and always need to attach a fake GOAT to the brand to convince themselves theyre witnessing something special. First it was Anderson's nuts they hung on but then he took some Ls they hopped off that bandwagon and got on the Jones wagon. Now when Jones looks unimpressive against an average fighter these "fans" attempt to inflate the Anthony Smiths, Santos, and Reyes of the world the same way they inflated the Patrick Cotes and Thales Leites and James Irvins of the world during Anderson's run, all to make it seem like Jones the so called "GOAT" is struggling against great fighters but showing great heart and winning tough fights. In reality hes just boring and unimpressive against guys who arent that impressive.

    A prime Mirko would flush these guys easily. Jones can't because he cant do it without his steroids. You dont need to lie to kick it and act like hes been impressive.

    UFC did a great job of building their brand to such a degree that any fighter who fights in the UFC is suddenly special and elite. If Anythony Smith and Santos were fighting in Bellator every UFC fanboy on this forum would disregard them as journeyman bums or UFC "castoffs"

    But when their fake GOAT struggles with these bums its suddenly "Jones has octagon control" and "pressure " and "won a tough fight like a true champ" or whatever else Rogans stupid ass says during Jones fights.

    Great job UFC. Brilliant marketing..

    The real ones know what's up though. Dominick Reyes, Santos and Smith would get beat down by a prime Cro Cop in one night. And current, unimpressive, steroidless Jones would get beaten down by prime Cro Cop as well.

    Dont fight the facts.
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2020
  2. RawkyMarciano Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2017
    Messages:
    3,496
    Likes Received:
    0
    Facts.

    Fedor = GOAT.

    Shogun/DC = LHW GOATs.

    Jon Jones will forever be recognized as a cheater who brought a gun to a fist fight in the form of steroids when he "fought".
     
  3. GrayArea Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2018
    Messages:
    3,264
    Likes Received:
    1,739
    Cro Cop got KO’d by a wrestler in pride, a BJJ guy in UFC and Brendan Schaub.
     
  4. OzoneX Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2015
    Messages:
    1,261
    Likes Received:
    16
    Prime Jones headkicks Crocop into a cemetary worse than Gonzaga did. Prime DC, who was beaten by Jones twice, also wrestlefucks Cc. But yes, prime CC beats the others like Smith, etc.
     
  5. bref Black Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2009
    Messages:
    7,141
    Likes Received:
    1,417
    Location:
    Vancouver
    Meh, it's not really Jon's fault that LHW is probably the second weakest division in the sport. Jon is still a GOAT (though I wouldn't put him at number 1 for a few reasons). For the record I think Reyes won 3-2.
     
  6. NuMe Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 6, 2014
    Messages:
    1,343
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    CRO
    Smith was finished 5 time by guys with no wiki page.

    Lol.
     
  7. Linelo Black Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2018
    Messages:
    6,045
    Likes Received:
    2,085
    Location:
    Big Apple
    You believe prime Cro Cop was natty?
     
  8. No Skill Gap Brown Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2020
    Messages:
    2,785
    Likes Received:
    3,133
    The LHW division is the weakest men's division in the UFC.

    Pride had a lot of great fighters, but it also had a ton of overrated fighters. Cro-Cop and Fedor were two of them. I know that's blasphemy for the Pride stans, but it's also true.

    Cro-Cop lost to Brendan Schaub. He lost three straight in the UFC to Mir, Schaub, and Roy Nelson. Mirko Cro-Cop was around 35 years old at the time, so it's not like he was super old or far gone past his prime either (and probably on PEDs let's be real).

    Cro-Cop was around 32-33 years old during his first UFC run where he beat a complete bum (Eddie Sanchez) and then lost to Gonzaga and Kongo back to back.

    Pride was awesome. But Pride fans need to get a grasp on reality, please accept reality. Fedor and Cro-Cop were awesome in Pride, but they fought a ton of cans and were overrated. Anyone with a shred of objectivity and intelligence can see that.
     
  9. MuayThaiBX Black Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2011
    Messages:
    5,747
    Likes Received:
    57
    I would not favor current Jones over prime Cro-Cop. However, prime Cro-Cop was fighting pretty much untested, as was Fedor, Wand, Shogun, etc.
     
  10. orca P4P #1 Machida fan

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,180
    Likes Received:
    159
    Location:
    The philippines
    With steroids?with steroids no usada he got embarrased en the ufc
     
  11. Mixfight Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,303
    Likes Received:
    0
    Facts
     
  12. Klaavical Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2002
    Messages:
    7,256
    Likes Received:
    584
    Location:
    B.C.
    Cro Cop is my all time favourite fighter, he was however not natty.
     
  13. Mixfight Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,303
    Likes Received:
    0
    Delusional ufc fan lol

    Why couldnt jones do that to Santos and Smith? Surely they are better strikers than prime Mirko lol
     
  14. orca P4P #1 Machida fan

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,180
    Likes Received:
    159
    Location:
    The philippines
    They dont criticaly think..fedor got ktfo by dan hendo lmao. Hendo vs dc was like a child vs a man.imagine what dc would do to him..
     
  15. orca P4P #1 Machida fan

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,180
    Likes Received:
    159
    Location:
    The philippines
    prime prime mirko fought before usada in the ufc pls post his ufc record and tell me im not delusional
     
  16. 15089371 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2015
    Messages:
    858
    Likes Received:
    380
    Location:
    Platinum Kingdom
    Love crocop but I doubt he would 'easily' beat that line up, even in his prime. Lets be honest here, that was whole different era, the level of fighters today without a doubt better. Mirko's decline wasn't just age, the fighters were better on average too.
     
  17. Mixfight Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,303
    Likes Received:
    0
    What makes Smith and Santos better than the elites of the 2000s?

    The answer is nothing. Only because they fight in the UFC. If they were in bellator none of you clowns would be saying how evolved they are because they are in the new era.
     
  18. cmw43 Bad Boys Club

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2006
    Messages:
    14,646
    Likes Received:
    1,154
    Age isn't the whole picture. Crocop had about 3 knee surgeries and nearly 100 fights between boxing, K1 and MMA before signing with UFC. He was not prime, he had a knee surgery after winning the OWGP before his UFC debut.

    He never again moved like this. You see anyone at HW or even LHW who can move and strike like this today?

    [​IMG]

    He also fought Roy Nelson with a torn bicep, you watch that fight he's pretty much using one arm. His body was a wreck, you ever see the video of him twitching backstage at UFC pre-fight?

    03-05 was probably Crocop's MMA prime.
     
  19. Mixfight Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    8,303
    Likes Received:
    0
    Careful, they dont like facts.
     
  20. orca P4P #1 Machida fan

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,180
    Likes Received:
    159
    Location:
    The philippines
    Facts the only time jones ever cheated is against dc and gus

    He already beat them CLEAN

    goat
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.