Elections Presidential candidate, Andrew Yang, puts Dana on blast. Goes on Joe Rogan Tuesday.

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  1. Cash Bill 52

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    Presidential candidate Andrew Yang, an MMA fan and Sherdog lurker, is going on Joe Rogan this Tuesday. Topics will most likely include universal basic income, Medicare for all, human centered capitalism and UFC fighters getting screwed. He supports Leslie Smith’s desire to create a fighters union. He calls Dana White a moron. He points out that most major sports pay athletes 47-51% of revenue while UFC fighters get 10-12%.

    Yang supports legalizing marijuana for recreational purpose. He will pardon all low level marijuana offenders preferably on April 20. He wants to give high 5’s to former inmates as they walk out of prison.

    It should be an interesting podcast.

    https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/9/...ang-blasting-ufc-labor-practices-social-media

     
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    sounds pretty cool. screw dana.
     
  4. Cash Bill 52

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    Yes, it does sound cool. A president who supports athletes. Yang’s kid just started Jiu Jitsu. He knows what’s up.
     
  5. EradiatedHaggis

    EradiatedHaggis Brown Belt

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    My thoughts on Yang.

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    EradiatedHaggis Brown Belt

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    Thats about as lame as Yang is.

    Disliking Dana White and wanting MMA fighters to get decent pay does not make a Socialist less of a nitwit, or more worthy of being in office.
     
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    He would be a lot cooler if his name was Wang instead of Yang.
     
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    Do you think Yang is a socialist? He credits/mentions Milton Friedman for his Ubi policy.
     
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    His grass roots organizing groups are called yang gangs. Some people definitely do a double take on that one! He often says, "the opposite of Donald trump is an Asian man who likes math."

    Yang is the Asian man our country needs.
     
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    And who does he credit for health care for all? Also, he can give credit to Friedman all he wants, its not Friedmans plan he wants to implement. Friedman said a UBI should be in place of welfare and other government aids along WITH a negative income tax...

     
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    Yang’s version of ubi replaces current welfare programs. Recipients would get a choice to keep current benefits or take the 1k per month.
    His original plan was for citizens 18-64. He needs the over 64 voting block. So, he modified it. He lost a few libertarians on that move, but oh well. He needs to increase his chances for victory. We can worry about the sociAl security debacle later.
    As far as health care, he looks at our overall expenditures on health care. As a country, we pay more for a sucky system compared to other first world countries. It would be fiscally responsible to fundamentally change the system.

    Uncle Milty, Thomas Paine, Richard Nixon all talked about it. a version of ubi passed in the House of Representatives in the 70’s. No socialist country ever offered its citizens a ubi.

     
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    1. Without a negative income tax, its not Friedmans plan...he laid out his plan for a reason, because it actually works. A half-assed plan by a non-economist is not a plan which can be plainly seen by the flat amount per month bullshit that is typical no thinking socialist garbage because its just a sum chosen to try to win over the idiots. Friedman's is based on WHAT YOU EARN because the goal is to get EVERYONE to want to earn more and not make them compliant like socialists like to make people.

    2. It does not matter what he has done for his health care for all plan, that is a SOCIALIST plan and that is the point. Also, we pay more because of the system set up that prevents all health care providers from being in ALL areas, allowing just a few to control things and drive prices up. Another thing Friedman touched on decades ago.

    Yang is a socialist, point stands.
     
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    From his policy page.
    “It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding UBI by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value-Added Tax (VAT) of 10%. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction.“
     
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    The capitalism / socialism spectrum arguments are outdated. The current corporatism form of capitalism we have now needs to be tweaked. Yang doesn’t want for the government to confiscate private property or control the means of production.
    He’s an entrepreneur. He founded venture for America. He’s looking into the future and realizing that AI and robot technology will replace jobs faster than we can create them. AI will create abundance for those who can reap the benefit of it. Shouldn’t our citizens have access?
    I agree with you about the “health care cartel.” More competition would drive prices down. If health care companies can provide value, then they can compete with the single payer.



     
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    You drank the kool-aid bro. That bullshit on his human-centered capitalism is horseshit.
    "Capitalism as an economic system has led to unparalleled innovation and improvement in the human condition. Many consider it to have “won” the war of ideas against socialism, but that simplistic view ignores that there is no such thing as a pure Capitalist system. And our current version of institutional capitalism and corporatism is a relatively recent development.

    Our current emphasis on corporate profits isn’t working for the vast majority of Americans
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    It isnt new. This is what we had going all the way back to the East Indian Trading Company so all he wants to do, is REMOVE the capitalism that is responsible for all the wonderful things he says it did.

    He is lying. Its the socialist bait-n-switch of saying you are pro something, while actively working to destroy it.

    The original stock exchange was in the 12th CENTURY...France...the Courretiers De Change. It was in most trade centers in Europe by the 14th century. The East Indian Trading Company allowed for ANYONE to buy into a trading ship, with even very low buy ins by the poor. This change was a catalyst in boosting the size of the middle class over 100s of years.

    100s of years. Because wealth isnt pulled out of thin air. Before shit like this, all the land and money was in the hands of the royal families. Its BUSINESS investing + the loosening of the stranglehold on power the royal families had, then the implementation of disintermediation that allowed even more flow of money.

    Yang and his idea's are the dangerous ideas of the ignorant that always, through-out history, have destroyed civilizations...the man is no where near the mark on what is or is not new in capitalism and in fact, wants to KEEP that actual new things but is too wrapped up in socialism to even know it. I doubt he has ever even heard of the Bretton Woods Accord or Bretton Woods system let alone know what changes it made.
     
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    Whoa! You shared some serious knowledge. I’m going to study some of the material you layed out.
    Here are some initial thoughts.

    Do you think AI will have cheap buy ins for the poor? The owners of the robots (super rich) are just going to let that happen?

    Anyone could buy a ship from the east India trading company? People of African decent? Women too?

    Who has all the land and money now? The kings and queens just passed it off the the next super rich group it seems.

    Is wealth created by AI pulled out of thin air?

    I’ll have to study the Breton woods accord.

    Thanks for the civil conversation, bro. I’ll look into what you wrote here and get back to you with a more detailed response.

     
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    Wow, so much written and so little correct.

    1. AI will not be what you think its going to be and none of what we are talking about has anything to do with the jobs that will disappear from AI since nothing being proposed by Yang would fix the problem.

    2. I never said "buy" a ship. I said buy into one. The cost of a trading ship, supplies and crew for a voyage to trade and return was around $50,000 in the early 1500s, in modern days thats 5+ million and only the richest could afford that. For "people" to do it, it took many to invest and so they took to investors and the return on investment was massive.

    You tossing in Africans and women was, lets be honest...a really stupid leftist horseshit move.

    3. Who has all the land now? everyone. Do you have ANY fucking clue of history? Do you know what the title of Baron was? Land Baron...a LAND LORD. The actual original meaning of the modern term landlord.

    Do people have lords over them today? No they dont. Do you believe that even 20% of people 300+ years ago "owned" homes? How about 10%? 5%? I still havent gone LOW ENOUGH...people didnt own shit back then and even Yang says that Capitalism increased the peoples wealth and living standards so just stop with the nonsense.

    4. Who has "all the wealth". I know, let me guess...the jews right? Wasnt that the common racist stereotype in Europe for 100s of years? Yes. With many holding that belief today. Its always the group people want to demonize that has "all the" whatever.

    Another socialist tactic.

    Well, the rich people dont have all the money and if they did, you wouldnt be able to pay for the internet to make your posts...and yes, there was a time when you would LITERALLY HAVE NO MONEY because you would have been paid with food and room and board by the land owners and that was still the case for many coming to America in the 15, 16 and 1700s...and the Louisiana Purchase radically changed everything in America with even more radical change with the Homestead Act by Lincoln.
     
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    Why would he even run when there is 0 chance of winning? This guy has apparently seen AOC's increasing prominence and wants to jump on the "buy votes by offering free shit" wagon.
     
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