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International President Trump signs HISTORIC Peace Deal between Israel, Bahrain and the UAE 9/15/20

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Oliver C., Sep 15, 2020.

  1. BassAckwards Brown Belt

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    they need their air space to get to iran. when they are neutralized, iran wont be able to fund gaza, syria, and lebanon.
     
  2. Holic Sock Puppet Exorcist

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    So Nelson Mandela didn't bring peace by getting rid of apartheid? What countries were at war that he brokered peace to?
     
  3. Holic Sock Puppet Exorcist

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    Man, liberals are not having a good day in the war room rofl
     
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  4. Ready2Defend Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Nobel peace means fuck all.

    But, if they want to be consistent, sure. They gave Obama one just for being a successful politician practically. He didn't accomplish much, relatively.

    Trump will get his credit from history.
     
  5. Ready2Defend Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    There are bigger concerns than just the Palestinian situation and that increased regional stability is preferable to infinite hostility or unproductive status quo. These parties understand that. The question is, how will the Islamic fundamentalists respond.
     
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    Mandela got the Nobel peace prize , along with De Klerk. Are we arguing whether this UAE/Bahrain normalization with Israel is a peace treaty or are we arguing on what merits a Nobel peace prize ?

    UAE and Bahrain were never at war with Israel, so how can this agreement be called a peace treaty? And why is Trump getting credit for a non peace treaty? Just because he sits in the Oval Office does not mean he did something special. Mandela actually was an integral part of the end of Apartheid.
     
  7. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    There was little hostility before the signing. UAE and Saudi were already getting cosy with Israel during Obama's term.
     
  8. BFoe Western States Heritage Champion Platinum Member

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    Duck and run? Preposterous accusation sir. :)
    I never have any issue discussing any political topic with conservatives here.

    @MicroBrew is doing solid work in this thread.
    This is a PR stunt. While it’s technically “historic,” and that’s worth something, I guess—it is lacking in substance, as is Trump’s MO. As @MicroBrew pointed out, this simply makes official what has already been long occurring. But it has some superficial benefits: Trump gets to tout his “peace deal” (it isn’t, and it doesn’t even lay the foundation for the first step towards one); Netanyahu gets to step back from annexation, as his zeal for it has brought about quite a bit of criticism; and the UAE gets to continue their PR push as a tourist destination, and stalwart of more moderate Islam.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/trump-mideast-israel-uae-deal-395567
    Who gets screwed, is of course, the Palestinians. They will be on the receiving end of Trump’s “Art of the Deal,” which largely just consists of trying to bully and strong-arm his way into getting what he wants. This is not going to work in the Middle East long term, and to claim it lays the foundation of a viable two-state solution (as Trump has claimed) is downright laughable.
    Trump has never given much of a shit about the Palestinians, as evidenced by his moving our embassy to Jerusalem, resulting in many deaths. He also didn’t seem to care much for them in this deal, as there is no right of return for Palestinian refugees, Jerusalem is given wholly to Israel, and Palestinian education curriculums need to be reviewed by Israel and the U.S.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...lestinians-respond-unity-200914175752492.html
    Trump’s lack of understanding of the complexity of relations in the region will set the stage for a powder keg for future leaders.
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/15/the-uae-israel-agreement-isnt-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/
     
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  9. Ready2Defend Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    If Hillary Clinton's administration had helped to broker this deal, the Dems and leftists would be slobbering with admiration 24-7 regarding this historic occasion.Further proof, they'd proclaim, of her foreign policy acumen, thus validating the previous administration's decision to name her SCOTUS. :rolleyes:

    Bitch Please.

    Hilary and Joe want a confrontation with Russia so bad that BOTH their dicks get hard thinking about it.

    <{walkerwhut}>
     
  10. Lead /Led/ like the blanket Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Good job on him. Maybe something positive and significant that will last far beyond his presidency.
     
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  11. Holic Sock Puppet Exorcist

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    trea·ty
    /ˈtrēdē/
    Learn to pronounce

    noun
    1. a formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries.
      "the two Presidents signed a ten-year treaty of solidarity"

    I don't see any mention of war, Lieutenant Dan.
     
  12. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    Why did you divorce the "Peace" from the "Treaty" and only provide the definition for "treaty" ?

    Why imply or call it a peace treaty ? Why is T.S. claiming this is a historic peace deal ? Egypt and Jordan signing the peace treaty with Israel was a historic peace deal, this isn't.

    Peace treaty
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peace treaty

    an agreement to stop fighting a war

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_treaty
    A peace treaty is an agreement between two or more hostile parties, usually countries or governments, which formally ends a state of war between the parties
     
  13. Holic Sock Puppet Exorcist

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    Cool. Here's another peace treaty that didn't end a state of war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Treaty_on_Korean_Peninsula

    Cognitive dissonance in 3...2...
     
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  14. Ophydian Black Belt

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    Everyone gets US top tier weapons platform, no big deal.
     
  15. mmascene Cinturón de plata.

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    Smart move by UAE and Bahrain, Tow the line or get Gaddafi'ed.
     
  16. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    That involves the primary parties who were engaged in open hostilities, it is a "proposed" treaty and since NK has not de-nuclearized, what point are you making here ?

    You do know that Kim actually advanced his missile and nuclear weapons tech despite all the bullshit Trump tried to peddle about peace in NK.


    Earlier this month, at a NATO summit in London, Donald Trump declared that “we have peace” with North Korea and that he had a better “personal relationship” with Kim Jong Un than the dictator had with possibly anyone else “in the world.”


    What "peace" is he talking about? Trump loves to boast and take credit where none is deserved.

    Although Trump says his friendship with Kim has produced a more peaceful North Korea, the reality, especially of late, has been quite different. Since May, North Korea has tested more missiles than it has in any other year in its history, except possibly 2016, according to the analyst Ankit Panda. It never stopped producing fissile material for nuclear bombs. Think tanks are pumping out reports on establishing “maximum pressure 2.0” against Pyongyang. The name-calling is back: Kim is once more “Rocket Man,” Trump a senile “dotard.” Satellites are spotting renewed activity at North Korean nuclear sites, while Kim has resumed testing at a rocket-launch site he had promised to dismantle in 2018. U.S. officials are yet again warning of military options. North Korean officials are proclaiming the days of denuclearization negotiations over. Kim is galloping around on white horses, and let’s just say it’s not because white symbolizes peace.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...orth-korea-diplomacy-denuclearization/603748/
     
  17. Hawkeye Pierce M*A*S*H 4077th Belt Platinum Member

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    I'm glad this is happening but he really had nothing to do with it

    it just kinda of happened around him

    it would have happened whether he was president or not
     
  18. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    The US withholds some high tech from its Arab allies, to maintain Israel's qualitative edge.
     
  19. Grassshoppa Purple Belt

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    Serious question. Is this part of the End Times?
     
  20. Lead /Led/ like the blanket Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    That can be used often though and when we want to believe it. I don’t mind extending credit than being cynical. We don’t know it would’ve happened for sure in a different timeline and I see too often the game of downplay / upplay. I rather just say good job or bad job.
     
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