President Obama Wants To Make Two Year College Free To All If They Work It Off

$1000 per text-book on the tax-payers dime, can you feel it?

Yea, left in the dust of debt if we don't do something like this. How much waste do we already spend on the K-12. This is nothing more than an attempted bailout for the 2 year colleges that aren't producing shit.


Meanwhile we spend 500k per bomb to blow up 1000 dollar pick ups in Iraq.

God forbid we spend some at home to better our society .
 
You people need to wake the fuck up.

Its sad how the US is literally one of the only developed nations that doesnt provide healthcare and education to its citizens (universally). Imagine how much better this country would be if most people had a degree and were actually healthy? How much more we could accomplish, create, earn. These higher earners could be taxed more too.

We spend trillions on war, foreign aid, and other bullshit. Even welfare. If people were educated - then maybe so many wouldn't have to be using social safety nets.

Just blows my mind that the people against healthcare and education (basic pillars of society) are usually for foreign spending in dumb shit (war).
 
Even Cuba provides healthcare and education to its citizens.

They have roughly the same infant mortality rate and life expectancy as the US and pay like 1/100th of what we do.

They can go to medical school (or any other school they want) without an arm and a leg of debt and interest, if qualified. Thats why they arent short on PCPs either (cuz people smart enough to do it dont have to worry about not being able to afford it). Imagine going to med school and not having
to worry about paying tuition, loans, or having health insurance. Its like another world. Europe has it good like that too.

Sad that a shithole like Cuba beats us on such basic pillars of society. Lol.
 
$1000 per text-book on the tax-payers dime, can you feel it?

Yea, left in the dust of debt if we don't do something like this. How much waste do we already spend on the K-12. This is nothing more than an attempted bailout for the 2 year colleges that aren't producing shit.

The power of collective bargaining seems the escape most americans. Your shit is only that expensive because of the way you run things. Funny thing is, that with all the stuff you have to pay for like school, healthcare etc, you probably end up with less spending money than people in the Euros with very high taxes.
 
I would love the idea if it were directed more towards trade certificates. Those are absolutely more important, can land you a gig in the middle class, and better suited for a large portion of the population.
 
How many new community colleges will need to be built now and who pays for that?
 
Every politician says that education is the key. However, education is the least of our problems.

I disagree. I'm interested to hear what gives you this impression, if you don't mind sharing.

I think education is hugely important, and however long it remains being disseminated by a malfunctioning system, is exactly how long it remains one of our biggest problems.
 
As Mike Rowe has eloquently pointed out numerous times over the past year we already have a surfeit of college graduates in this country. We don't need more, and we don't need more low-cost AA's. If we're going to shift a great portion of the burden of higher education to the American taxpayer, then we need a stiffer merit-based financial program incentivizing than those already in place towards 4-year degrees, and in exchange for that subsidy we need to enable the government to exert more control over setting the criteria for what the colleges-- state schools and private schools that participate-- may use it to teach (i.e. more engineering/agricultural/medical degrees, fewer humanities degrees).

A lack of college graduates isn't this country's prime economic problem. The problem is the size of the population outside the labor force, and the attitude of this population: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...utside-the-labor-force-entirely-who-are-they/

You had to go there.
 
I confused on what he means by "if they work for it". I have my bachelors and currently employed full time. I am also currently enrolled and taking classes at a community college and pay for it out of pocket(really isn't expensive at all) so I am already "working for it". Only thing I can think of is if they must have a certain gpa in high school to be allowed but then what would they do about older adults that are coming back to college and haven't been in high school for 10 years?

As I already said community college is really cheap at least where I'm at and it isn't like I make tons of money at my current job either. If you worked full time there is no reason you shouldn't be able to afford it if you save correctly. This is not even including any small student loans or grants which are very difficult for me to get since I already have my bachelors. These would be available to a person that doesn't already have higher education.
 
This is such an obviously good idea that I can't even see what the argument is about.
 
This is such an obviously good idea that I can't even see what the argument is about.

I'm not sure what he means by "work it off". Does he mean the students will be guaranteed jobs after graduation*? If not, how is it any different from taking a student loan?




*Which is impossible, at least if the situation in Europe is any good measuring stick.
 
I like this idea for the type of skilled trades/professions a country need

for example, in Canada we should be doing this for med school.
 
The power of collective bargaining seems the escape most americans. Your shit is only that expensive because of the way you run things. Funny thing is, that with all the stuff you have to pay for like school, healthcare etc, you probably end up with less spending money than people in the Euros with very high taxes.

We're just better at business than you are which is why 'affordable' and 'government' don't mix. And I have plenty of money to spend, so long as I don't go to the hospital, thank-you very much. :icon_chee
 
You mention vulnerable students, but are there really invulnerable students?

Smart students with good grades and a purpose in mind for their studies are what I'd call the least vulnerable students. They are making informed choices and seeking an education for a real goal.
 
Even Cuba provides healthcare and education to its citizens.

They have roughly the same infant mortality rate and life expectancy as the US and pay like 1/100th of what we do.

They can go to medical school (or any other school they want) without an arm and a leg of debt and interest, if qualified. Thats why they arent short on PCPs either (cuz people smart enough to do it dont have to worry about not being able to afford it). Imagine going to med school and not having
to worry about paying tuition, loans, or having health insurance. Its like another world. Europe has it good like that too.

Sad that a shithole like Cuba beats us on such basic pillars of society. Lol.

yeah Cuba is so awesome that you literally have droves of their people floating on garbage bags to get to our country. Worst argument EVER!
 
yeah Cuba is so awesome that you literally have droves of their people floating on garbage bags to get to our country. Worst argument EVER!

How do you drown a cuban?

Ah, I wont say the joke, it's mean and probably against the rules. However one of my professors in CC use to praise Cuba as if it had the best system ever. She was clearly a commie-socialist-feminazi from day one. I told my pops about it and he responded with something similar to you. "It's so great they're all drowning to get here."
 
Would like to see us promoting trades and apprenticeships, coupled with infrastructure projects.
 
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