Futbol Premier League 2024/25 Thread - v4: The Arsenal BATTER Real Madrid, Rice Rice Baby! Edition

[LEWIS540]

He didn't take penalties because he wasn't trusted with them; his composure was one of the things he was always criticised for.

Even if you take out the 56 penalties Shearer scored in the PL, he's still light years ahead of Cole in goals

Top flight goals:

Cole 241
Shearer 379

If you want to go just Premier League numbers, then yes, Cole is close to Shearer. Shearer without pens: 204 Cole without pens 186, but if we count the non-penalty goals Shearer scored in the top flight before the Premier League invented football, then you can put another 42 non-penalty goals for Shearer on top of that.

Cole only had 5 seasons at the top flight, where he managed 15+ goals. Shearer had over double that amount, and they were 20+ seasons.

The only time Shearer scored less than 15 in a season was when he was a teenager or got an injury. Shearer was having 20+ goal seasons in his mid 30's, while Cole never scored over 15 goals in a season after the age of 28.

Love Cole, and definitely think he's underrated by some, but he's not close to Shearer.



He was a goal scorer; that is what he was there to do. He scored a record number of goals, and he shared that record for almost 30 years, FFS. He was absolutely lethal that season, and until Haaland broke it, it was the joint best for a striker in PL history.

It's literally the only time he ever scored over 20 goals in the league in a season. He crushed the league with 34 goals that year. I watched it; he was unbelievable.

379 top flight goals? Don't think think that's right. Pretty sure Jimmy Greaves was top all time with around 350. 241 for Cole seems wrong too.


Again, it's overly simplistic too purely judge a striker on his goals. "He was a goal scorer; that is what he was there to do." It's what the Ronaldo simps have hung onto for the passed 6-7 years......"it's obviously not his fault United and Juventus got noticeably worse after he joined, because he was still banging them in!!!!"

Ultimately the job of every player whether GK or striker is to win games and urgo trophies, which Cole did pretty well at. As an individual you can argue he wasn't elite if you want, but he certainly wasn't a hanger on. You can say Shearer probably would have done even better in that United team.....but it's ultimately speculation.

You can say Cole's best season was for Newcastle because he scored the most goals. Cool, that's an obvious and perhaps a valid argument. I'd counter that with being a key member in a team which won the first treble in English football history trumps that by a long way.

Always found it interesting that when you look at England's most famous goal scorers like Jimmy Greaves (0), Harry Kane (0), Gary Linekar (0), Michael Owen (1, at United as a sub), Alan Shearer (1), Nat Lofthouse (0), they barely won a league title between them.

It's only really Rooney who combined great goal scoring with a great trophy cabinet (Ian Rush too if we want to expand it to the Welsh).

 

[helax]

Only the 1 point one, ref or linesman literally jumped to stop the puck so Leafs could score in OT. I am sure Makar scores OT winner from MacKinnon assist if the ref dont fuck up (or maybe he had money on Leafs winning in OT).

Yeah I saw that. Rigged

 

[BroRogan]

Rather ask AI or Trump about football than this idiot. @UVee can we get some sort of 15 minute autoban when this guy's social media gets posted here? Its giving me atlest 27 different diseases and drops my iq by 47 (and its not high to begin with it)

also me and as his spokesperson big Changy supporting that idea @Chules *on notice*

 

[Carl Drogo]

@EOW @Carl Drogo @UVee @xtramob

Puffy little deserved to get mauled

 

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@Chules @Concrete

 

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[Arqueto]

Sorry for long post

Spoiler

379 top flight goals? Don't think think that's right. Pretty sure Jimmy Greaves was top all time with around 350. 241 for Cole seems wrong too.

These are total numbers, cups, Europe etc.

Jimmy Greaves 615 games with 469 goals
Alan Shearer 559 games with 379 games (always played league football in the top flight of English football)
Andy Cole 509 games with 289 goals (some are from 3rd, 2nd division and the Championship.)

You can argue cup goals, etc. because it can be dependent on who you draw, but I included all of their numbers when they were playing at the highest level in league football.

You can say Cole's best season was for Newcastle because he scored the most goals. Cool, that's an obvious and perhaps a valid argument. I'd counter that with being a key member in a team which won the first treble in English football history trumps that by a long way.

Might have been one of Man Utd's best seasons, but that's not what we are talking about. A 34 goal season in the league, which was a record that stood for almost 30 years, is an incredible achievement. It's clearly his best individual season of his career. Of course he won stuff with Man U, but so did plenty of people.

Cole scored 24 goals total that treble season, and he scored 41 goals total in his 35 goal league campaign season. Being in a way better team and winning stuff doesn't mean he had a better season.

"it's obviously not his fault United and Juventus got noticeably worse after he joined, because he was still banging them in!!!!"

What? Juventus won back-to-back league titles, two Coppa Italia's, two Super Coppa Italia's with Ronaldo; they gambled on him because they wanted to try and win the CL, because they knew that squad was about to age out. They still won trophies, just not the one they wanted to.

U lot are worse now than you were with him

Always found it interesting that when you look at England's most famous goal scorers like Jimmy Greaves (0), Harry Kane (0), Gary Linekar (0), Michael Owen (1, at United as a sub), Alan Shearer (1), Nat Lofthouse (0), they barely won a league title between them.

That doesn't mean they weren't great players or didn't have great seasons, though. Trophies are a collective achievement; it doesn't negate great individual seasons.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Love Cole, and definitely think he's underrated by some, but he's not close to Shearer.

True. The only one that's close to him is Kane.

Some might say he's already surpassed him

 

[Concrete]

True. The only one that's close to him is Kane.

Some might say he's already surpassed him

Someone hold arqueto back

 

[Carl Drogo]

True. The only one that's close to him is Kane.

Some might say he's already surpassed him

Clear facts.

Kane > Shearer > Henry

Not even disputable imo

 

[Rawex]

Yeah I saw that. Rigged

Suzuki, Kopitar and Eichel 1 point +239
Aho, Carlsson and Keller 1 point +304
Barkov, MacKinnon and Hischier 1 point +148

Barkov, Aho and Kopitar 2 points +2864

 

[Arqueto]

True. The only one that's close to him is Kane.

Some might say he's already surpassed him

Someone hold arqueto back

You can make a good argument for Kane when you break it down but I'll always say Shearer

 

[Chules]

Rather ask AI or Trump about football than this idiot. @UVee can we get some sort of 15 minute autoban when this guy's social media gets posted here? Its giving me atlest 27 different diseases and drops my iq by 47 (and its not high to begin with it)

What did he say that was wrong?

 

[Chules]

Kane > Shearer > Henry

Not even disputable imo

Wots your problem?

Seems to me like you have one?

 

[LEWIS540]

Sorry for long post

Spoiler

These are total numbers, cups, Europe etc.

Jimmy Greaves 615 games with 469 goals
Alan Shearer 559 games with 379 games (always played league football in the top flight of English football)
Andy Cole 509 games with 289 goals (some are from 3rd, 2nd division and the Championship.)

You can argue cup goals, etc. because it can be dependent on who you draw, but I included all of their numbers when they were playing at the highest level in league football.



Might have been one of Man Utd's best seasons, but that's not what we are talking about. A 34 goal season in the league, which was a record that stood for almost 30 years, is an incredible achievement. It's clearly his best individual season of his career. Of course he won stuff with Man U, but so did plenty of people.

Cole scored 24 goals total that treble season, and he scored 41 goals total in his 35 goal league campaign season. Being in a way better team and winning stuff doesn't mean he had a better season.



What? Juventus won back-to-back league titles, two Coppa Italia's, two Super Coppa Italia's with Ronaldo; they gambled on him because they wanted to try and win the CL, because they knew that squad was about to age out. They still won trophies, just not the one they wanted to.

U lot are worse now than you were with him



That doesn't mean they weren't great players or didn't have great seasons, though. Trophies are a collective achievement; it doesn't negate great individual seasons.

You are missing the point about strikers, but never mind. The idea that they should solely be judged on goals scored is really, really not valid. Hell even the idea of a "individual season" has always been pretty stupid, imo (and it's almost solely reserved for goalscorers).

Goals aren't all equal. Andy Cole scoring five in a 9-0 victory in a season where United won nothing is worth 5x Cantona scoring one in our 1-0 victory in a title decider vs Newcastle the following season, "statistically speaking".

Statistically Juventus got worse every season Ronaldo played for them. Same with the season he was at United. Solid argument to say both are still recovering from the damage, even now.

2021 we finished second in the league scoring 73 goals. Then we signed Ronaldo and finished 6th scoring 57 goals. Was it all his fault? impossible to say, but I'm confident in saying it was a big factor.

Hell, let's be honest about Shearer. When Newcastle signed him they had just finished 2nd, and probably should have won the title. His first season they finished 2nd again, though 10 points worse off, then had 4 seasons in the bottom half of the league.

"Individual" stats are nice and are good for pub quizzes, but the only stats that matter when discussing the greats are trophies won.

 

[Rawex]

What did he say that was wrong?

 

[Chules]

Aka nothing and I’m just a hater because Lee gunner is a goat at LIFE, just look at his surname

 

[Rawex]

Aka nothing and I’m just a hater because Lee gunner is a goat at LIFE, just look at his surname

Only thing he is greatest at is knowing where to find male prostitutes in Mexico

 

[Arqueto]

You are missing the point about strikers, but never mind. The idea that they should solely be judged on goals scored is really, really not valid. Hell even the idea of a "individual season" has always been pretty stupid, imo.

I'm not missing the point, mate. I simply don't agree with you, and I'm giving the reasons why. Scoring goals is the hardest part of football. Cantona scoring a 'moments' goal is nice for you as a fan and for Man U, but it still has nothing to do with that season from Cole. I never said they should 'solely' be judged on goals, but it's a pretty big deal, and a 34-league goal season, which was a record for almost 30 years in the top flight of English football, is a MASSIVE deal. Trophy or no trophy.

All I've said is that was Andy Cole's best season, and I stand by that.

Statistically Juventus got worse every season Ronaldo played for them. Same with the season he was at United. Solid argument to say both are still recovering from the damage, even now.

That Juventus squad was finished though; it was past its best. Ronaldo coming in wasn't why they got worse; they were declining and they gambled, and it didn't pay off. They thought he would be the difference maker in the Champions League.

Hell, let's be honest about Shearer. When Newcastle signed him they had just finished 2nd, and probably should have won the title. His first season they finished 2nd again, though 10 points worse off, then had 4 seasons in the bottom half of the league.

That's because Keegan lost the plot, and Shearer got injured. We stopped scoring goals because we lost our best goal scorer. Once we got Shearer fit and got him back scoring (it took a while), we got back into the Champions League. He had some serious injuries.

"Individual" stats are nice and are good for pub quizzes, but the only stats that matter when discussing the greats are trophies won.

Ok then, so by that logic you would agree that Liverpool is a greater club than Manchester United then. They have won more trophies than you.

 

[Chules]

Arqueto sonning the Fred OG’s with his expert footy knowledge

Damn!

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