Proof of what? There was a lot in that post for this empty short answer. That the conspiracy math is flawed? I not only provided a link showing the curvature formula but then the formula need to correct/adjust it based on line of sight. Then I provided an experiment you could do outside yourself to confirm why leaving line if sight out of the equation was extremely flawed. Proof of gravity? Atmosphere? Proof that jets can chase an eclipse?
If you think I'm going to fly to Utah to prove a fact I'm not. You go prove the earth isn't curved. Do the experiments that could prove or disprove it. The flat earthers in the video failed and debunked themselves as you would as well. That is proof right there. If it was flat they would have seen the light at 17'.
Honestly I'm done. You have failed to properly read my posts based on replies. Then offer nothing of substance back other than very flawed conspiracy sites. Btw the thread name is:
"Can We All Test For Ourselves That The Earth Is Round?"
Yes we can. I'm certainly not going to fly to the coast or Utah to do it though.
For the what, 3rd, 4th time? Your conspiracy theory website you responded to me with literally didn't adjust for line of sight. So forgetting half of the equation would be flawed math, correct?
The fact you posted this only confirms you aren't really reading my posts.
I don't care what your shit canned thread was exactly about, I was reading the title of this one. My intention was to say there are ways to prove or disprove curvature yourself. Though all factors should be taken into account should you actually try it and want to get an accurate answer.
Btw that mirage ridden video of that van dancing 20 feet off the ground is a horrible example. Find a better example of "proof".
Unless that is, you believe this white car is actually hundreds of feet long.
I don't care what your shit canned thread was exactly about, I was reading the title of this one. My intention was to say there are ways to prove or disprove curvature yourself. Though all factors should be taken into account should you actually try it and want to get an accurate answer.
If you want some spicy "change my mind" debate where people bring in their hot takes, do it with a topic with some contention. Like abortion, government spending or something like that. If you think domestic themes are threaded ground, you can either make it very focused (like "hey forget about general stances and look at this specific story about this girl seeking an abortion") or think outside the box. American exceptionalism, daylight savings time, drinking age, euthanasia, teacher tenure, animal testing, whatever. There's so much stuff that usually gets buried beneath popular WR topics that you could explore with a sticky and strongly enforced no trolling, yet you use that privilege to put a known troll on the spotlight (abiG regularly makes his own shit threads or hijacks others) and invite people to debate a topic where there's zero room whatsoever for taking advantage of people's perspective, it's entirely based on knowledge. Get someone who went to graduate school and studied physics or engineering and the honest debate is pretty much over.
Original Title: No experiment shows the earth to have curvature or that it moves through space... change my mind.
Hey there all, ready to have some fun? For some time, for the most part as a thought experiment, I have been looking at our world from the astronomer's point of view. I started wondering how they can be so sure of our planet's motion, the insane, literally mind boggling speeds, the distances they tell us that stars are and even the shape of the earth itself. I have been learning so much that I had never learned in school.
In these travels, I came across a challenge that offered anyone, $10,000, for just one single piece of factual and irrefutable evidence that shows the motion and the curvature of our earth.
I thought, wow, since these idiot flat-earthers are so obviously crazy, this should not be much of an ask. So, I started looking at the experiments that have been done and I was at a loss, as they all showed that there was no movement. So I dug even deeper, and I came across a fascinating quote from the man, himself (no, not Becky):
"While I was thinking of this problem in my student years, I came to know the strange result of Michelson’s experiment. Soon I came to the conclusion that our idea about the motion of the Earth with respect to the ether is incorrect, if we admit Michelson’s null result as a fact. This was the first path which led me to the special theory of relativity. Since then I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment, though the Earth is revolving around the Sun."
--Albert Einstein
Anyways, for any of our beloved WR geniuses that can pull this off, beyond the ten grand, you will become known the world over as the first person to prove experimentally, what most of the world simply takes as fact.
As an added bonus, should you be able to demonstrate the bending and/or curving of still water, especially around a spinning ball, you will be awarded an additional $40,000 for a total of $50,000.
THAT, I would really love to see.
That said, and to be clear, be sure to understand the meanings/definitions of words like factual, fact, irrefutable, empirical and also understand the scientific method. One additional requirement is that your experiment(s) be replicable. That's basically it. Let's do some real science.
The entire challenge that motivated this thread can be found here:
Meet these simple requirements and not only will you have changed my mind, but you'll have a nice stack in your pocket to boot.
Rules, Terms, and Conditions(please read carefully):
Firstly, just to be exceptionally clear,
Factual:
- concerned with what is actually the case rather than interpretations of or reactions to it - actually occurring - of, relating to, or characterized by facts - of the nature of fact; real; actual
Fact:
- a thing that is INDISPUTABLY the case - something that has actual existence - an actual occurrence
Irrefutable:
- not capable of being refuted or disproved - impossible to deny or disprove - not refutable: incontrovertible
Please keep the definitions of factual and irrefutable in mind when preparing, presenting, and receiving judgement on your evidence! Those two words are the main criteria by which everyone's evidence will be judged.
1). In the comment section below, present ONE(you can do more if you'd like, but at least one) piece of factual and irrefutable evidence for a). the curvature and b). the motion of the alleged spinning ball earth.
2). Each piece of evidence provided, for both the curvature and the motion MUST BE accompanied by an experiment, test, or method proving and showing the way through which you obtained your result.
3). Your experiment, test, or method must be replicable and the same result must be obtained by myself and others in order for your evidence to be considered.
There are many different kinds of experiments, tests and measurements that anyone should be able to do, to easily prove both the curvature and motion of the alleged spinning ball. If you need some ideas for such experiments, please see some examples below of others attempting to find both the curvature and motion of the alleged spinning ball:
4). Your evidence will be evaluated and judged using none other than the SCIENTIFIC METHOD itself!
Just a quick reminder for anyone who has forgotten what the Scientific Method is and how it works: THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD: a method of research in which
A). a problem is identified,
B). relevant data are gathered,
C). a hypothesis is formulated from these data,
D). the hypothesis is EMPIRICALLY tested and
E). data is analyzed and a conclusion is drawn.
To quickly touch on D - EMPIRICALLY
TESTED: EMPIRICAL:
- based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience RATHER THAN THEORY or pure logic
- derived from or guided by EXPERIENCE or EXPERIMENT
- depending upon EXPERIENCE or OBSERVATION
- PROVABLE or VERIFIABLE by EXPERIENCE or EXPERIMENT
Thus, some examples of evidence that WONT qualify:
- i heard it from...
- i saw it on...
- everyone knows this
- the scientific community says so - NASA said so
- Neil DeGrasse Tyson said so
- the astronauts said so
- the THEORY of gravity said so
- so and so University said so
- so and so scientist said so
- Donald Pettit or Barry Wilmore filmed this from the "ISS"
- evidence that only the "Hubble Space Telescope" or a "satellite" could see
- evidence that only a certain University or "qualified" group of individuals can produce
- PHOTOS: I hate to rule these out but for the sake of saving time, I am going to. Photos can be easily manipulated and thus will not be considered as evidence.
VIDEOS: I will allow video footage as evidence because videos are harder to manipulate. You can attach a fisheye or wide angle lens and make a flat surface look curved(though this trickery will be exposed as soon as the camera pans up and down), but no matter the lens you fasten to your eyeball or camera, you simply CANNOT make a ball look perfectly flat. To make a ball look flat you would have to either use CGI or heavy post production editing and your fraud will be very easily exposed by the pixelation and distortion of pixels where you pulled your curved ball into a flat surface. This gets even more complicated the more the camera pans/tilts up and down. Thus, you can present video footage and it will be evaluated like all other evidence, using the Scientific Method. If we are unable to obtain the same results, your evidence will unfortunately not pass!
Hopefully you get the idea. Your experiments and tests by which you obtained your evidence must be replicated. I care NOT about what ANYONE says or has seen or heard. If I(and anyone) cannot replicate your experiment and come to your same result, your evidence will NOT qualify.
5). To make things more fair and of course interesting, I will have a special guest judge on the panel, none other than the amazing, smart and very talented, the man, the legend himself, Mr. Eric Dubay! He will join me in empirically testing your evidence and providing the final judgment. Please read the above rules one more time if you have to. Irrefutable facts of reality and the Scientific Method will be the judges of your evidence. Eric and I will simply be delivering the judgement to you.
6). Please check the thread. If your evidence has already been presented and judged, I will likely just tag you under that comment in the interest of saving time. I may address the same evidence a couple times if need be but unfortunately I don't have time to repeat myself over and over and over again.
7). If you are commenting under someone else's comment, please understand that reply priority will go to the initial commenter. If there will be extra time, myself or Eric, may respond to additional comments but priority will go to the original commenters. If you want to insure that YOUR evidence is seen, please comment it as a new comment and not as a reply to someone else as it may be missed that way.
Cool. If your evidence hasn't been addressed by MYSELF or Eric, please consider your case still open. Judgement on your evidence will ONLY count from myself or Eric, not other commenters.
9). To all my religious folks. Please pay attention to this rule! Though I very much do understand where you may be coming from, for the sake of sanity and keeping focus on flat earth, please refrain from religious debates and arguments. Earth is flat regardless of any religious text or religion saying so. Flat earth, has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with spirituality(truth), which is of course different. I will be issuing future challenges for various commonly accepted religious beliefs so you will have the opportunity to express yourselves then but for the sake of keeping this thread focused on the topic of flat earth, please refrain from religious discussions here. Thank you!
10). I am doing this challenge to help bring attention to this highly important topic. I am NOT doing it to start fights, attacks or arguments. THEREFORE, please refrain from foul language, attacks, and verbal abuse. If I do notice this happening you will be given ONE warning, after which, if you do not comply, you will be disqualified and blocked! I do NOT want to disqualify or block anyone because I want everyone to have an amazing and positive learning experience from everything that will be discussed so please don't make me do it. Keep your discussions civil and professional. Thank you!
11). Have an amazing time! This should be fun and enlightening, more than anything. I want everyone to enjoy this so please contribute positively and we will all have a great time together no matter our differences!
12). This isn't so much a rule but more of a request, if you are inclined to do so, please share this challenge with everyone you know. Together we will make a difference!
If your evidence does NOT qualify or factually and irrefutably prove the spinning ball earth, you will be given an explanation as to why and how that is so. Your evidence will be evaluated based on the criteria above, therefore your explanation will provide the process by which we determined your evidence was NOT valid.
If you DO provide this factual and irrefutable evidence that will once and for all establish that earth is in fact a water bending, ocean curving, spinning, tilting, wobbling and hurtling through infinite space into oblivion BALL, you WILL BE rewarded these $10,000 CASH (yes this is my photo and proof of the existence of the money) because believe me my dear baller friend, if you do, you deserve not just these $10,000 dollars but all of the money in the world that you could possibly ask for. You will be the first person in the history of human existence to prove factually the existence of the spinning ball earth.
For the sake of this challenge however, you will only get $10,000. If you live in the United States and would like a 3 day/2 night trip to Los Angeles, California, I will pay for your travel and stay at The Montage Hotel in Beverly Hills and personally deliver the $10,000 cash to you, filmed live for Facebook and YouTube for the entire world to see. If you are not in the U.S. the money will be either wire transferred to you or converted to bitcoin and sent to you after which I will send you instructions on how to convert it to your home currency.
As a bonus, if you or anyone you know, can demonstrate the bending and/or curving of still water(with a replicable experiment), especially around a spinning ball, you will be awarded an additional $40,000 for a total of $50,000 CASH. I will also reach out to the producers of the top talk shows in LA and ask that they air you and your amazing talent live for the world to see. You will be the first human in the history of humanity to do what the science community claims is happening today, right now, as we speak, with the spinning ball earth!
“There are two ways to be fooled! One is to believe what ISN’T true; the other is to refuse to accept what IS true!” - Soren Kierkegaard
The TRUTH fears no investigation!
Thank you for reading and participating! Good luck!
Have fun and good luck. I think it only fitting that it should be a War Roomer to grab this cash.
Didnt the flat earthers on that netflix documentary prove the curvature of the Earth?
The movement part is harder to prove so i cant help you there but round vs flat is not even debatable. Wehave satellites that give us up to date pics and videos from space, get the fuck over yourself.
That we don't fall off of a ball that is spinning at around 1000 MPH...
as we fly around the sun at around 66,600 MPH...
as we fly through the milky way at around 450,000 MPH...
as we are moving through space at another 1,350,000 MPH?
Seriously now...
Do any of you care to come in here with a claim to understand special relativity? The ultimate revision to heliocentrism?
1) Are you disputing that gravity exists? I only ask because I like establishing common ground.
2) Do you understand the difference between velocity and acceleration?
I haven't really proven anything other than posting ways it can be tested or ways it's previously been tested intentionally or not (chasing an eclipse for example). Mostly just disagreed with the "proof" of it being flat.
On topic:
I believe that it being possible to go around the world in the west-east direction proves that it has at least somewhat spherical nature.
That it isn't done for some reason from north to south is suspicious. The whole business around Antarctica is weird. Is there a gateway to the Eye of Terror or why is flying over it off limits?
I know of no tests that would prove the Earth round that could be done with everyday equipment, though admittedly my understanding of physics is rudimentary. I don't know any flat earth folks nor do I think they're necessarily stupid. Constant lambasting of them more suspicious than convincing, a bit like the faux Nazi hate everywhere. No one really cares, and if one pretends to, there is a why to that.
Stuff that revolves around astronomy are generally mystifying. That the Moon and the Sun look the same exact size to the point we can have solar eclipses requires a crazy coincidence. As does the fact that the Moon revolves around itself at a speed that means it only shows its face toward the Earth ever. To make calculations for both to happen randomly is, methinks, in the order of unlikeliness immeasurable.
No, but that certainly needs to be part of this discussion because again, what is actually more logical? That we don't fall off of a stationary plane?
-or-
That we don't fall off of a ball that is spinning at around 1000 MPH...
as we fly around the sun at around 66,600 MPH...
as we fly through the milky way at around 450,000 MPH...
as we are moving through space at another 1,350,000 MPH?
That it isn't done for some reason from north to south is suspicious. The whole business around Antarctica is weird. Is there a gateway to the Eye of Terror or why is flying over it off limits?
Still haven't read post 2 but you're welcome, even though I've already stated providing the proof or actually traveling to another state to do experiments was never my intention.
Also lol at telling others to reread my posts when your replies to them show you barely skimmed them.
Still haven't read post 2 but you're welcome, even though I've already stated providing the proof or actually traveling to another state to do experiments was never my intention.
Ok, another test for people who are genuinely curious (read: not the OP)
The Foucault Pendulum is an example that proves that the earth is both spherical and rotating.
In a closed system, a pendulum will only move in a straight line that force was applied to it. In theory, it should only swing back and forth because the only forces applied to it are the initial linear force and air friction, otherwise it will be perfectly still. However with a large enough pendulum, you will observe it actually follows a circular path over time, even without an external force acted on it.
The reason why is conservation of angular momentum is an additional force acting on the base of the pendulum. Think of it like trying to draw a straight line on a stationary piece of paper and a piece of paper that is rotating. The effect of angular momentum will in theory be greater closer to the axis of rotation, or the north and south poles in the earth's case. Likewise, the effect will be weakest near the equator. The theory is easily observed in real life where the diameter of the circles created in pendulums with greater latitudes will be larger than pendulums located around the equator. This would not be possible in a system where the earth was either flat or not rotating on an axis.
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