Elections Poll: Reasons Voters Did Not Choose Harris: All Voters, Swing Voters, Black Voters, Latino Voters, And Swing Voters Who Chose Trump

[UberHere]

The left is disconnected with working class people.

The left is disconnected from reality

 

[BFoe]

Oh are you joining the 'The Young Turks and every other left wing outfit who criticizes The Party is actually right wing' conspiracy cult? Cool.

Lmao I don’t watch the Young Turks
I literally do not exist in that information world, be it right or left. Since the election I’ve actually taken a bit of a political breather as well, I haven’t followed new stories so I have no clue what people are saying for the most part.

But no: I am saying there are certainly valid things to criticize, but a lot of what people are claiming drove them to vote Trump really doesn’t make a lot of sense. But that’s exactly what makes Trump relatable to those people, and makes them view us libs as snotty and arrogant—they don’t like to be told that they don’t make sense, or be “libsplained” to even when they are clearly acting on low information or wrong information.

 

[Scerpi]

Kamala did not separate herself from this current admin. When asked if she would do anything different on The View, she said no.

that right there shows you were she stands without bringing those things up specifically. She’s ok with men competing against women in sports. She’s ok with men being incarcerated with women. She’s ok with a Supreme Court justice who doesn’t know what a fucking woman is.

She’s ok with illegals swarming the border and getting free housing/debit cards as their reward.

Etcetera and cetera

She got progressively worse every time she answered that question




And DUDE!! There has to be a Tell All Book from an insider about the intense hatred between Kamala and the Bidens. It was palpable at times



lol... Jill giving Kamala the death stare and Kamala won't even acknowledge her

 

[BFoe]

She got progressively worse every time she answered that question




And DUDE!! There has to be a Tell All Book from an insider about the intense hatred between Kamala and the Bidens. It was palpable at times



lol... Jill giving Kamala the death stare and Kamala won't even acknowledge her

This I agree with. There are definitely ways to answer that question in which she acknowledges that certain things could have been done better without totally trashing Biden, and also while differentiating herself. She flubbed those questions hardcore.

 

[jx820]

US national debt at the end of 2016 was $19.6 trillion. At the end of Trump's term in 2020 it was $26.9 trillion. It is currently sitting at $35.9 trillion.

Your math doesn't add up.

No it wasn't.

Historical debt outstanding was 20.244 at the beginning of his term and 28.428 at the end. That's an 8.184 trillion increase working out to 40.43%.

These are budgets that he presided over not residual spending from the Obama administration that he had no sway over but happened the day he was sworn in.

US Debt by President | Chart & Per President Deficit | Self.

Here’s how much each President has contributed to National Debt, including decisions, events and statistics.

www.self.inc

Historical Debt Outstanding | U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data

Historical summary of the U.S. government’s total outstanding debt at the beginning of each fiscal year.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

Going over it again, I may have under represented Joe's 24-25 fiscal year though. It will still be one of the smaller increases as a % of growth, but it will probably turn out to be a larger number in dollars.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

and makes them view us libs as snotty and arrogant—they don’t like to be told that they don’t make sense, or be “libsplained” to even when they are clearly acting on low information or wrong information.

so how are the libs adapting to this reality?

 

[UberHere]

She got progressively worse every time she answered that question




And DUDE!! There has to be a Tell All Book from an insider about the intense hatred between Kamala and the Bidens. It was palpable at times



lol... Jill giving Kamala the death stare and Kamala won't even acknowledge her

She called Biden a racist and misogynist during primaries. Even that insufferable twat Colbert called her out on that. Her response was to break out into laughter and justify it as a debate tactic. I’m sure Jill didn’t forget that.

God only knows why he picked her as his VP.

 

[Scerpi]

People think the debt rose too much under Biden. More debt was generated in Trump's first term than will have been generated under Biden both in total dollars and as a percentage of increase. It was the greatest debt increase in dollars of any single term ever, and represented a 40% increase in a single term.

But the Democrats didn't bother to make sure voters understood that.

Such disingenous garbage...

Want to know why debt went up? It was almost all in 2020 when everyone, Blue or Red, decided that they needed to distribute massive handouts to Americans and Businesses to offset the damage from State Governors locking their states down. Lockdowns that did absolutely nothing to the pandemic, but wrecked the economy for years. Leading people to flee the blues states to the red states. Need a history lesson?


So when you dopes make these claims... You're banking that average people are idiots and forgot what actually happened. They're not... and they lived with the consequences of the shit lockdown policies of 2020/2021 and the Government handouts continuing late into 2021 that caused massive inflation going into 2024.

Lets discuss real wages...

This is why Democrats got their asses to them. When did Real Wages crash? Right after Biden took over and passed his "Inflation Reduction Act"... lol Which did anything but. Seeing how inflation reached levels not seen since President Carter.

Keep lying... please. Because it worked so well for the 2024 Elections and gave Republicans the House, Senate and Presidency

 

[RoastBeast]

This was Election 2024: Our Feelings Don’t Care About Your Facts.

Those top reasons are interesting to see.

Inflation too high? It went from 9-ish% down to 2.4%. And wages actually kept up, as they went up 19% under Biden.
Jobs? We added 17 million.

Debt too high? Even if you exclude COVID relief, Trump’s debt was significantly higher than Biden. Trump had 4.8 trillion in non-COVID debt, while Biden had 2.2. In fact, even if you add in COVID relief for Biden, he’d still have less than Trump’s non-COVID relief debt (that would bring Biden up to 4.2). That data is from the nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal a budget.

I can agree that Biden should’ve done more to strengthen the border before rescinding Trump’s policies, but that did get corrected and border crossings were at their lowest point in his presidency last month. We were on track as of a few months ago to match Trump’s number of deportations.

Kamala being too focused on trans stuff and not the middle class is really interesting to me, as I watched quite a few Kamala speeches and looked at her platform, and I didn’t really see that at all. I saw a lot of Republican attack ads that accused her of that, but I didn’t get that from her really. She talked about the middle class so much that “I was raised in a middle class family” became a meme. And irrespective of that, I am not sure why voting in a billionaire who isn’t middle class, has never been middle class, and didn’t do anything for the middle class when he was POTUS, would be a sensible solution.


But none of this shit matters if people “feel” differently. I do think Dems didn’t do a great job of communicating these things, and Kamala totally flubbed when asked if she would do anything differently than Biden. It’s perfectly fine to acknowledge that we could’ve done more to protect the border and then discuss what’s been done since, or to acknowledge that we could maybe have brought inflation down quicker.

Edit: I also don’t think we—especially me—understood the vast reach that some of these right wing wingnut podcasts have. The information war is one we are losing badly, and that will be a big issue for years to come unless it’s addressed.

Your post is part of the reason why the Dems lost. It's basically unintentional gaslighting. Using statistics as "facts" when in reality, those statistics aren't really applicable to the average working person. Most people aren't making nearly 20% more than they were a few years ago and the price of many goods and services has skyrocketed beyond that.

Our government (including Trump) and governments around the world screwed all of us common folks over with their covid policies, which caused inflation to skyrocket. If it skyrockets and then plateaus back to normal growth rates, that still means that we have to carry the burden of massively increased prices that aren't paced by our wage growth.

This is another case of the government takes a lot away, gives very little back and then people like you are out there holding their water by telling us we should all be thanking them for it.

 

[jx820]

Look at Kamala's answer to the trans question of whether they should get gender affirming care.

Does some wishy washy non-answer of "Follow the law" instead of just saying yes or no.

Refuses to take a real stance. If she was asked about abortion and women's choice she would 100% not say "Follow the law."

Yeah. It's an attempt at being moderate on the issue, but it is a weak answer. No trans person is going to feel supported by that, and no bigot is going to be reassured either.

I think it would be 1000x more effective to say "This is a free country. You're all adults. You and your doctor can figure out what's best for you without the federal government interfering".

I don't think that answer alienates anyone. It's libertarian, it's respectful, and it's not specifically pandering. More importantly it's right. WTF do Kamala or Trump, or your congressman know about treatment protocols.

Walz came closer with "Mind your own damned business". He's a much better communicator than her.

I'd even appreciate if she was dismissive in a better way:

 

[Scerpi]

This I agree with. There are definitely ways to answer that question in which she acknowledges that certain things could have been done better without totally trashing Biden, and also while differentiating herself. She flubbed those questions hardcore.

Step 1 would have been admitting to maybe some policies and bills passed in 2021 may not have been the right choice in hindsight, but they believed they were the right step at the time. Many at the time did believe more assitance and handouts were needed. While others didn't.... Doesn't matter. Just acknowledge what happened.

That's an acknowledgement things could have been handled different.

THEN

Kamala could have laid out her plan to continue the recovery... which has definitely in progress for the last year. Inflations and real wages have been improving during the last year.

Whatever her plan would have been. But she never answered that question... We still don't know

She'd alway venture off into word salad... talking about Joy, Aspirations, Hopes and Dreams, and how Americans are ambitious. lol

 

[Fox by the Sea]

"Critics are wrong and nazis. You don’t feel financially stretched right now. Housing is affordable and $2000 for a shoddy one bedroom apartment is fine. Ordinary people never owned their own homes anyway, it’s a myth. This economy is the best it will ever be. Any bad things that happen are totally on Trump. Before he came in, everything was perfect."

am i doing it right?

 

[RoastBeast]

Yeah. It's an attempt at being moderate on the issue, but it is a weak answer. No trans person is going to feel supported by that, and no bigot is going to be reassured either.

I think it would be 1000x more effective to say "This is a free country. You're all adults. You and your doctor can figure out what's best for you without the federal government interfering".

I don't think that answer alienates anyone. It's libertarian, it's respectful, and it's not specifically pandering. More importantly it's right. WTF do Kamala or Trump, or your congressman know about treatment protocols.

Walz came closer with "Mind your own damned business". He's a much better communicator than her.

I'd even appreciate if she was dismissive in a better way:

You really think the whole "this is between you and your doctor" thing is the answer that America is looking for? You've gotta be pretty out of touch to think that, considering how off putting of a non answer that is on abortion.

If you go in to get treated for a bacterial infection, there is no need for the government to get involved because liberal and conservative ideologies have nothing to do with that and will not cause your doctor to treat or mistreat you based on their political leanings.

If you go in to start your kid on puberty blockers because you're a leftist that has been radicalized by propaganda and you've convinced your child that they are the opposite gender, all you need to do is align yourself with a doctor who has similar ideological beliefs and now your poor kid is subjected to gender reassignment drugs when they are completely unnecessary. There is no blood test for this. It's simply a parent and doctor talking to a child and if that child does not want to disappoint their parent who has made it clear to them that they are the opposite gender, then they are going to repeat that nonsense to the doctor..

The same thing goes for abortion. It's not between a woman and a doctor because there is another life form inside of that mother's stomach. We need the government to rule on that and compromise because we have people who think an abortion from day 1 is bad and we have people who think that abortion seconds before the child is born is okay. A woman and a doctor do not get to decide between them if the life of the fetus has value or not.

 

[jx820]

Want to know why debt went up? It was almost all in 2020 when everyone, Blue or Red, decided that they needed to distribute massive handouts to Americans

I don't at all get why you think that makes a difference. Trump was president in 2020. He signed off on the spending. Biden signed off on some of the exact same kind of spending.

This idea that a president gets a pass because a crisis happened on his watch, like no other president had a crisis to manage is so strange.

If your point is that Congress controls the purse strings and the president isn't really all that responsible for better or worse, I'm with you. I agree. We blame and credit presidents with all kinds of stuff they aren't really responsible for. I'm just talking about messaging.

And out of a 4 trillion dollar bailout, across 2 administrations they handed out 884 billion to American families and workers. Which works out to 2600-ish on average and it does not account for the lion's share of the debt incurred. It's a helpful sum. That's rent and groceries. Massive may be an overstatement.

 

[aerius]

No it wasn't.

Historical debt outstanding was 20.244 at the beginning of his term and 28.428 at the end. That's an 8.184 trillion increase working out to 40.43%.

These are budgets that he presided over not residual spending from the Obama administration that he had no sway over but happened the day he was sworn in.

US Debt by President | Chart & Per President Deficit | Self.

Here’s how much each President has contributed to National Debt, including decisions, events and statistics.

www.self.inc

Historical Debt Outstanding | U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data

Historical summary of the U.S. government’s total outstanding debt at the beginning of each fiscal year.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

Going over it again, I may have under represented Joe's 24-25 fiscal year though. It will still be one of the smaller increases as a % of growth, but it will probably turn out to be a larger number in dollars.

So you're counting Trump's budgets from fiscal 2017 to 2021, and Biden's from 2022 to 2024.

CBO deficit estimate for fiscal 2025 is $1.8 trillion so we'll be a bit under $38 trillion by the end of next September, assuming the economy doesn't implode from Trump doing something retarded in the meantime. Assuming the CBO estimate is in the ballpark, it will be the largest increase in dollars and a pretty sizable percentage increase at 35% or so. Not terrible, but nothing to write home about, and certainly nothing to brag about in comparisons vs. Trump.

 

[BFoe]

so how are the libs adapting to this reality?

Regarding other libs, I couldn’t tell you, I’ve taken a bit of a news break.

For myself, I’ll probably not bother libsplaining so much because it’s a waste of time. Aside from that, I don’t plan to change much.

Before anyone says, “Get ready to just keep losing elections then,” I disagree. Americans are largely one-issue voters. If they perceive Trump as performing well, they’ll want more of the same. If he tanks, they’ll want a change.

In 2020, Trump had the lowest approval rating of any POTUS ever. I wanted everyone to move back towards the center, but the Right stayed exactly where they were (or got more extreme), ran the same candidate in fact even after said candidate was convicted of 34 felonies and facing dozens more, and they won decisively anyway.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Americans are largely one-issue voters.

that's unmanageable for any cohesive long term ideology.
it's like endlessly being the party of whatever is the current majority consensus.
this isn't good.

 

[jx820]

You really think the whole "this is between you and your doctor" thing is the answer that America is looking for? You've gotta be pretty out of touch to think that, considering how off putting of a non answer that is on abortion.

If you go in to get treated for a bacterial infection, there is no need for the government to get involved because liberal and conservative ideologies have nothing to do with that and will not cause your doctor to treat or mistreat you based on their political leanings.

If you go in to start your kid on puberty blockers because you're a leftist that has been radicalized by propaganda and you've convinced your child that they are the opposite gender, all you need to do is align yourself with a doctor who has similar ideological beliefs and now your poor kid is subjected to gender reassignment drugs when they are completely unnecessary. There is no blood test for this. It's simply a parent and doctor talking to a child and if that child does not want to disappoint their parent who has made it clear to them that they are the opposite gender, then they are going to repeat that nonsense to the doctor..

The same thing goes for abortion. It's not between a woman and a doctor because there is another life form inside of that mother's stomach. We need the government to rule on that and compromise because we have people who think an abortion from day 1 is bad and we have people who think that abortion seconds before the child is born is okay. A woman and a doctor do not get to decide between them if the life of the fetus has value or not.

That got real crazy pretty quick.

Your first example is not what she was asked about, it's about some fever dream of abuse and medical negligence.

The second assumes 1) That abortions are necessarily performed on viable thriving fetus' 2) that you know where life starts better than a pregnant woman or an obstetrician who has dedicated their life to this work 3) that the government not only knows this better than either of those parties, but also is more capable of determining medical treatment protocols.

No need to respond though. Or go nuts. I'm not going to derail into this any further.

 

[Rob Battisti]

She couldn't offer support for the trans issues because her campaign knows it's super unpopular to the general public.

But if she disavows it, the lunatic far left will have an aneurysm.

This is 1000000% correct

 

[Rob Battisti]

Crystal from breaking points just spent 20 minutes yelling at Saggar because the issue so unimportant that she doesn't care about it at all. But she yelled for 20 minutes every time he said anything about it in criticism of the trans agenda.

It mirrored exactly what happens here on sherdog. The Democrats don't care at all about this issue but they get vehemently shitheaded about it and closed-minded if you bring it up even a little bit.

They wonder why you care so much while they argue in bad faith and obviously from a place of emotion. If you bring up any contrary opinions to the lock step left wing agenda.

And then they wonder why so many people are turned off by the insanity on the left.

Watch this segment for a microcosm of how the whole entire national discussion goes with the left people being emotional, irrational and unwilling to listen because they're so sure they're right

When you ask them to discuss intelligently Kathleen Stock or Helena and Joyce's positions on the matter they've never heard of these people and are sure they're bigots even though both of them are women,.one is a lesbian,.and one has gay children, and they're both on the left!!!

Well said

libsplaining

LOL