Point deduction for missing weight?

Ryoto Machida

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I was watching Alexandr Shabliy fight Adriano Martins at Fight Nights Global, and I noticed they docked Martins a point for coming in heavy.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a great idea?

I think a lot of guys are willing to take the hit to their wallet in exchange for a weight advantage, as a win, and a chance to move up the ladder is more valuable in the long run.

If you dock a point, it puts getting the W in more jeopardy, and therefore not making it as worthy a trade-off.

You could even tier it, by docking a point for every 2 pounds you came in over.

And STILL hit them in the wallet, docking 20% of their purse.
 
They do (did?) something similar in Rizin, but stricter - if you miss weight and win the fight, the result is a no contest. If you lose, it's a loss for you and a win for your opponent.

Too strict? Probably. But the current system is probably too lenient.
 
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Only issue with that is, the opponent who makes weight could tend to play it a wee bit safer as he is already ahead on the scorecards. It could make him/her fight differently and approach the fight different to how they normally would.
 
Only issue with that is, the opponent who makes weight could tend to play it a wee bit safer as he is already ahead on the scorecards. It could make him/her fight differently and approach the fight different to how they normally would.

Interestingly enough, in the fight I was watching Shabliy kind of took the first round off, fighting defensively and getting Martins' timing. Then he came out in the second round and was able to counter everything Adriano threw at him, and started piecing him up.

He didn't really fight safe, but he just used the point deduction tactically as it bought him a round to figure out his opponent.

I really didn't have a problem with it.
 
The fight should decide the fight,

The hit to the purse should also cover the win bonus, they're already disqualified from collecting a performance bonus. Big misses, 5 pounds or more the fight should be cancelled, unless the opponent is informed ahead of time that a miss is likely. In those cases they should still have to cut to an agreed catch weight.
 
The fight should decide the fight,

The hit to the purse should also cover the win bonus, they're already disqualified from collecting a performance bonus. Big misses, 5 pounds or more the fight should be cancelled, unless the opponent is informed ahead of time that a miss is likely. In those cases they should still have to cut to an agreed catch weight.

So basically you're saying one guy should be allowed to pay a tax to cheat and give himself an advantage, and after that "the fight is the fight".
 
So basically you're saying one guy should be allowed to pay a tax to cheat and give himself an advantage, and after that "the fight is the fight".

As long as the tax is sufficiently punishing that it discourages any minor advantage, I guess I am. 20% of the purse seems a suitable discouragement for say a half pound miss. They should know from the Tuesday weighin if a fighter has made a serious attempt at making weight, if they haven't cut them. Also publish cageweights, that might be an eye-opener.
 
Lots of promotions do this.

This is way Efrain/Motoya is a NC. Efrain KO'ed him.

Bontorin/Kasugai is a NC. Bontorin armbarred him in the first round.

Kyung Ho Kang's "decision" loss to Leone was a fight Kang dominated. He only lost because of the weight miss.
 
Jungle Fights, source = https://www.mmafighting.com/platfor...nts-ufc-jungle-fight-five-years-what-happened

...every athlete that came up over the limit would lose 20 percent of their purses and be deducted one point. If they missed weight by more than 1kg (2.2lbs), they lose another point. If they are more than 2kg (4.4lbs) over, they lose three points.​

The article goes on to include stats, like only 1/7 fighters who have missed weight won a decision. In 5 years.

It’s a good system.
 
I don’t like it. I someone is heavy, you get 20% of their purse and you accept the circumstances given, if that’s what you elect.

i don’t like the idea of arbitrary points being awarded that misrepresent what occurred during the fight.

By the same token, there shouldn’t be any penalty for declining the fight if someone misses weight.
 
Lots of promotions do this.

This is way Efrain/Motoya is a NC. Efrain KO'ed him.

Bontorin/Kasugai is a NC. Bontorin armbarred him in the first round.

Kyung Ho Kang's "decision" loss to Leone was a fight Kang dominated. He only lost because of the weight miss.
This is exactly why I don’t like this idea. Just cancel the fight then. We know going in you’re overweight. Your adversary accepts the extra money and decides to fight anyway, so it shouldn’t be a game of catch-up or drastically altering the outcomes after a decisive victory.
 
Only issue with that is, the opponent who makes weight could tend to play it a wee bit safer as he is already ahead on the scorecards. It could make him/her fight differently and approach the fight different to how they normally would.

Probably. But that's a good reason to not miss weight.
 
Actually, that would be fair in my opinion as well. If your opponent accepts the fight anyway, you shouldn’t be given the advantage. You should start at a disadvantage.
 
I don’t like it. I someone is heavy, you get 20% of their purse and you accept the circumstances given, if that’s what you elect.

i don’t like the idea of arbitrary points being awarded that misrepresent what occurred during the fight.

By the same token, there shouldn’t be any penalty for declining the fight if someone misses weight.

It's cheating though. You're entering the fight with an unfair advantage.

Docking points for groin shots, low blows, and fence grabs can misrepresent what happens in the fight as well. Somehow I don't feel monetary penalties for these types of cheating would be very effective.
 
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